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Post by jdredd on Feb 5, 2011 15:49:40 GMT -5
Seems like a good day for some reason to start a thread putting a spotlight on the shady dealings of the NFL football monopoly. Whether it's squeezing cities to build stadiums for them or the short, brutal careers of most professional football players, or the drugs, or the gambling, or men abandoning rchgoing in droves the last few decades to drink and watch football, the NFL has become one of the dark sides of modern America IMO. And can anyone say "lockout"?
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Post by dolphie on Feb 5, 2011 16:20:50 GMT -5
Seems like a good day for some reason to start a thread putting a spotlight on the shady dealings of the NFL football monopoly. Whether it's squeezing cities to build stadiums for them or the short, brutal careers of most professional football players, or the drugs, or the gambling, or men abandoning rchgoing in droves the last few decades to drink and watch football, the NFL has become one of the dark sides of modern America IMO. And can anyone say "lockout"? Leave it to you to bash another American favorite. Super Bowl Sunday is as sacred as Apple Pie, Mom and Hot Dogs. I am going to intentionally ignore this thread - JD. Enough already with your ugliness and hate focused on this country.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 6, 2011 0:34:56 GMT -5
Weeeellllllll...maybe i'll let it slide for now, but if the lockout happens, there will be plenty of time to pick apart the NFL and expose it's dirty little secrets...
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Post by jdredd on Feb 6, 2011 2:36:13 GMT -5
Crap, I just can't help myself... www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/sports/football/30nfl.html"It is not only the first time in the history of the N.F.L.’s labor strife that owners are willing to lock out their players, but also the first time they have acknowledged that they made a bad deal. The owners are on the offensive because they want to reclaim 18 percent of the revenue — or $1 billion — that they currently share with the players, as well as lengthen the season to 18 games." “What happens in these disputes is that economic issues are presented as moral issues — good versus evil,” said Fay Vincent, a former commissioner of Major League Baseball who presided over the 1990 lockout. “But it’s hard to look at these circumstances and not see a case of owners’ wanting their cake and eating it, too.”
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 6, 2011 3:53:23 GMT -5
What a bunch of hogwash! Trying to make a problem where none exists. Sounds like a union THUG to me. As for attending rch services, football games generally start at 10:00 a.m. western time meaning even later east of us. That is plenty of time for two services in many rches! As for the Superbowl, it starts at 6:30 p.m. in Texas. Plenty of time for rch services. I have even had ministers, pastors, priests (whatever you want to name them) over to watch football games. It is nice to see them relaxed and being themselves!
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Post by jdredd on Feb 6, 2011 4:17:31 GMT -5
Great defensive play, tired! 5 yard loss for me...
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Post by dolphie on Feb 6, 2011 14:53:35 GMT -5
Crap, I just can't help myself... www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/sports/football/30nfl.html"It is not only the first time in the history of the N.F.L.’s labor strife that owners are willing to lock out their players, but also the first time they have acknowledged that they made a bad deal. The owners are on the offensive because they want to reclaim 18 percent of the revenue — or $1 billion — that they currently share with the players, as well as lengthen the season to 18 games." “What happens in these disputes is that economic issues are presented as moral issues — good versus evil,” said Fay Vincent, a former commissioner of Major League Baseball who presided over the 1990 lockout. “But it’s hard to look at these circumstances and not see a case of owners’ wanting their cake and eating it, too.” Did you deliberately overlook the comments pertaining to sustained profitability? Times might be good currently, however profits are dropping. Stadiums are expensive to build - however built and maintained they must be. The owners are looking at long term sustainability. ANYONE who has a household budget looks at today and down the road, especially when income is not going to increase dramatically. We all are aware of repairs, alterations, and other sources of financial drain that come with living life on planet earth. Some folks are saving up for their kids' college fund, some look at helping their kids in other ways (horses, athletics, arts, music, etc). All of this costs and must be worked into the budget. That is pretty much what the owners are saying. There are pros and cons about the quantity of money the players make. The more expensive the players are the higher the cost of tickets. On the other hand - the players are playing a high risk game and one that will leave them with ailments far into their elder years. It is a short lived career for many of them. We all love our warriors/gladiators and we love to cheer them on!
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Post by jdredd on Feb 6, 2011 16:27:22 GMT -5
Crap, I just can't help myself... www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/sports/football/30nfl.html"It is not only the first time in the history of the N.F.L.’s labor strife that owners are willing to lock out their players, but also the first time they have acknowledged that they made a bad deal. The owners are on the offensive because they want to reclaim 18 percent of the revenue — or $1 billion — that they currently share with the players, as well as lengthen the season to 18 games." “What happens in these disputes is that economic issues are presented as moral issues — good versus evil,” said Fay Vincent, a former commissioner of Major League Baseball who presided over the 1990 lockout. “But it’s hard to look at these circumstances and not see a case of owners’ wanting their cake and eating it, too.” Did you deliberately overlook the comments pertaining to sustained profitability? Times might be good currently, however profits are dropping. Stadiums are expensive to build - however built and maintained they must be. The owners are looking at long term sustainability. ANYONE who has a household budget looks at today and down the road, especially when income is not going to increase dramatically. We all are aware of repairs, alterations, and other sources of financial drain that come with living life on planet earth. Some folks are saving up for their kids' college fund, some look at helping their kids in other ways (horses, athletics, arts, music, etc). All of this costs and must be worked into the budget. That is pretty much what the owners are saying. There are pros and cons about the quantity of money the players make. The more expensive the players are the higher the cost of tickets. On the other hand - the players are playing a high risk game and one that will leave them with ailments far into their elder years. It is a short lived career for many of them. We all love our warriors/gladiators and we love to cheer them on! I would never deny there are two sides to every issue. What motivates me is when I feel one side of an issue is not having it's voice heard, and it's usually the underdog.
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 11:17:35 GMT -5
men abandoning rchgoing in droves the last few decades to drink and watch football rches complain when their revenue is down, the foolish statement is about 50 years late. The NFL like any business needs to bust the union so, I'd have no problem if there were a lockout.
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 21:10:26 GMT -5
Hey JD let's go back to the blue laws? We sure don't want to cheat the rip-off rches.
Blaming rch attendance on the NFL is about the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 7, 2011 21:23:38 GMT -5
Did you deliberately overlook the comments pertaining to sustained profitability? Times might be good currently, however profits are dropping. Stadiums are expensive to build - however built and maintained they must be. The owners are looking at long term sustainability. ANYONE who has a household budget looks at today and down the road, especially when income is not going to increase dramatically. We all are aware of repairs, alterations, and other sources of financial drain that come with living life on planet earth. Some folks are saving up for their kids' college fund, some look at helping their kids in other ways (horses, athletics, arts, music, etc). All of this costs and must be worked into the budget. That is pretty much what the owners are saying. There are pros and cons about the quantity of money the players make. The more expensive the players are the higher the cost of tickets. On the other hand - the players are playing a high risk game and one that will leave them with ailments far into their elder years. It is a short lived career for many of them. We all love our warriors/gladiators and we love to cheer them on! I would never deny there are two sides to every issue. What motivates me is when I feel one side of an issue is not having it's voice heard, and it's usually the underdog. You assume that everyone is a weakling and unable to defend themselves. Just because one does not win one or a few rounds does not mean they have not won other rounds or even the full game. Part of life is to strive to better ourselves. With your kind of mentality we would be back to primordial ooze. I sure am glad you are not around my world. You would have had your ears buffed a few times.
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 21:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by dolphie on Feb 7, 2011 21:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 21:53:20 GMT -5
Ouch From Becky
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Post by jdredd on Feb 7, 2011 22:03:58 GMT -5
Hey JD let's go back to the blue laws? We sure don't want to cheat the rip-off rches. Blaming rch attendance on the NFL is about the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. Really? Wow, thanks, Turk! I strive to excel.
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