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Post by jdredd on Feb 7, 2011 22:09:50 GMT -5
Gosh! I just noticed my karma has dropped into negative numbers! Oh well, it's rigged, just like the NFL...
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 22:16:30 GMT -5
Hey JD let's go back to the blue laws? We sure don't want to cheat the rip-off rches. Blaming rch attendance on the NFL is about the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. Really? Wow, thanks, Turk! I strive to excel. There's not much dialog here. But if you are up to it, the absent of blue laws must be more attributable to rch attendance than the NFL. Oh hell, maybe rch attendance is down because there's no return on the dollar.
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Post by Turk on Feb 7, 2011 22:17:48 GMT -5
Gosh! I just noticed my karma has dropped into negative numbers! Oh well, it's rigged, just like the NFL... Well deserved, attacking the NFL is like attacking motherhood
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Post by jdredd on Feb 7, 2011 22:32:36 GMT -5
Really? Wow, thanks, Turk! I strive to excel. There's not much dialog here. But if you are up to it, the absent of blue laws must be more attributable to rch attendance than the NFL. Oh hell, maybe rch attendance is down because there's no return on the dollar. Sad to say, I looked for evidence to back my claim but I didn't find any! I think it's some kind of conspiracy...
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Post by Rocket on Feb 8, 2011 11:40:20 GMT -5
A man had 50 yard line tickets for the Super Bowl.
As he sat down, he noticed that the seat next to him was empty.
He asked the man on the other side of the empty seat whether anyone was sitting there.
"No," the man replied, "The seat is empty."
"This is incredible," said the first man.
"Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Super Bowl, the biggest sporting event in the world and not use it?"
The second man replied, "Well, actually, the seat belongs to me. I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away. This will be the first Super bowl we haven't been together since we got married in 1967."
"Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible. But couldn't you find someone else -- a friend or relative, or even a neighbor to take the seat?"
The man shook his head. "No, they're all at the funeral."
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Post by jdredd on Feb 9, 2011 3:48:13 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on Feb 9, 2011 3:56:34 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130780110186152.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"There's another big difference between players in the two major sports: Due to serious injury, the average NFL career is about 3½ years, about two-thirds that of a big league baseball career. In the past, this has tended to work against the football union in negotiations, as the thought of losing a year from such a brief career to a strike or lockout intimidated most players. In 2011, though, short careers may be a unifying factor."
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 9, 2011 4:28:44 GMT -5
Cuomo vs Father Beck Cuomo displays himself has a headstrong overpaid individual that gets quite indignant when challenged. Definately a Democrat! Father Beck seems to be quite a well balanced guy. Sometimes his speech seems a bit feministic though. Could be for any political party. I would like to see the two of them put on boxing gloves! My money would be on Father Beck cleaning Cuomo's clock quite quickly!
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 9, 2011 4:50:31 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130780110186152.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"There's another big difference between players in the two major sports: Due to serious injury, the average NFL career is about 3½ years, about two-thirds that of a big league baseball career. In the past, this has tended to work against the football union in negotiations, as the thought of losing a year from such a brief career to a strike or lockout intimidated most players. In 2011, though, short careers may be a unifying factor." Yes, there are differences in the possibilities of injuries. If they are worried about that, then maybe they should try out golf! Seriously, they get paid enough for what they do. Do the research and find out how many leave the sport with big money and go bankrupt. Some are still playing and are bankrupt. Maybe they should put all the players into money management courses. They get to much money to fast and don't learn how to manage it for the long term. Throw in that many start using drugs that complicates the problems as well. I would state that the NFL could provide a long term health program to cover injuries received WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. Similar to what our veterans get with the VA hospitals (not a guaranteed program either). No off the field injuries, or communicalble diseases, or other medical issues not directly received from the playing field during an official practice or game. I see their pay for what they do, how often they do it and for how long they do it. IF a player plays every down, both offense AND defense, they will spend a total of 48 HOURS PER YEAR playing football. Ninty nine percent only play defense or offense putting them at ~24 HOURS PER YEAR, and then they don't play every play when their defense or offense are out there. All of that time is also spread out over 5 months! THAT'S LESS THAN 5-10 HOURS PER MONTH for less than HALF THE YEAR! I know of many professions where people work everyday and longer hours during those days that is everybit as dangerous and receive a fraction of what NFL players receive.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 9, 2011 12:59:01 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130780110186152.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"There's another big difference between players in the two major sports: Due to serious injury, the average NFL career is about 3½ years, about two-thirds that of a big league baseball career. In the past, this has tended to work against the football union in negotiations, as the thought of losing a year from such a brief career to a strike or lockout intimidated most players. In 2011, though, short careers may be a unifying factor." Yes, there are differences in the possibilities of injuries. If they are worried about that, then maybe they should try out golf! Seriously, they get paid enough for what they do. Do the research and find out how many leave the sport with big money and go bankrupt. Some are still playing and are bankrupt. Maybe they should put all the players into money management courses. They get to much money to fast and don't learn how to manage it for the long term. Throw in that many start using drugs that complicates the problems as well. I would state that the NFL could provide a long term health program to cover injuries received WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. Similar to what our veterans get with the VA hospitals (not a guaranteed program either). No off the field injuries, or communicalble diseases, or other medical issues not directly received from the playing field during an official practice or game. I see their pay for what they do, how often they do it and for how long they do it. IF a player plays every down, both offense AND defense, they will spend a total of 48 HOURS PER YEAR playing football. Ninty nine percent only play defense or offense putting them at ~24 HOURS PER YEAR, and then they don't play every play when their defense or offense are out there. All of that time is also spread out over 5 months! THAT'S LESS THAN 5-10 HOURS PER MONTH for less than HALF THE YEAR! I know of many professions where people work everyday and longer hours during those days that is everybit as dangerous and receive a fraction of what NFL players receive. Thank you CV.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 9, 2011 13:37:38 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130780110186152.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"There's another big difference between players in the two major sports: Due to serious injury, the average NFL career is about 3½ years, about two-thirds that of a big league baseball career. In the past, this has tended to work against the football union in negotiations, as the thought of losing a year from such a brief career to a strike or lockout intimidated most players. In 2011, though, short careers may be a unifying factor." Yes, there are differences in the possibilities of injuries. If they are worried about that, then maybe they should try out golf! Seriously, they get paid enough for what they do. Do the research and find out how many leave the sport with big money and go bankrupt. Some are still playing and are bankrupt. Maybe they should put all the players into money management courses. They get to much money to fast and don't learn how to manage it for the long term. Throw in that many start using drugs that complicates the problems as well. I would state that the NFL could provide a long term health program to cover injuries received WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. Similar to what our veterans get with the VA hospitals (not a guaranteed program either). No off the field injuries, or communicalble diseases, or other medical issues not directly received from the playing field during an official practice or game. I see their pay for what they do, how often they do it and for how long they do it. IF a player plays every down, both offense AND defense, they will spend a total of 48 HOURS PER YEAR playing football. Ninty nine percent only play defense or offense putting them at ~24 HOURS PER YEAR, and then they don't play every play when their defense or offense are out there. All of that time is also spread out over 5 months! THAT'S LESS THAN 5-10 HOURS PER MONTH for less than HALF THE YEAR! I know of many professions where people work everyday and longer hours during those days that is everybit as dangerous and receive a fraction of what NFL players receive. Are you trying to get me to defend professional athletes? I've never had any use for jocks, but you didn't factor in the thousands of hours of PRACTICE they have to put in. As for their money dispute with the NFL, the fact is they are used up and thrown away by the NFL and I want them to get as much money from the rich SOB owners as they possibly can.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 9, 2011 18:31:54 GMT -5
Yes, there are differences in the possibilities of injuries. If they are worried about that, then maybe they should try out golf! Seriously, they get paid enough for what they do. Do the research and find out how many leave the sport with big money and go bankrupt. Some are still playing and are bankrupt. Maybe they should put all the players into money management courses. They get to much money to fast and don't learn how to manage it for the long term. Throw in that many start using drugs that complicates the problems as well. I would state that the NFL could provide a long term health program to cover injuries received WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. Similar to what our veterans get with the VA hospitals (not a guaranteed program either). No off the field injuries, or communicalble diseases, or other medical issues not directly received from the playing field during an official practice or game. I see their pay for what they do, how often they do it and for how long they do it. IF a player plays every down, both offense AND defense, they will spend a total of 48 HOURS PER YEAR playing football. Ninty nine percent only play defense or offense putting them at ~24 HOURS PER YEAR, and then they don't play every play when their defense or offense are out there. All of that time is also spread out over 5 months! THAT'S LESS THAN 5-10 HOURS PER MONTH for less than HALF THE YEAR! I know of many professions where people work everyday and longer hours during those days that is everybit as dangerous and receive a fraction of what NFL players receive. Are you trying to get me to defend professional athletes? I've never had any use for jocks, but you didn't factor in the thousands of hours of PRACTICE they have to put in. As for their money dispute with the NFL, the fact is they are used up and thrown away by the NFL and I want them to get as much money from the rich SOB owners as they possibly can. The owners are rich before they own teams. The owners' monies go into stadiums, uniforms, transportation, housing on the road, coaches, doctors, etc. The players do not practice year round. They still put in less time than the average working person does. They make other monies as well - advertisements, clothing, etc. They go down in history and are mentioned in years to come. Do not lay their (players') lack of ability to manage finances upon the team owners. The players have far more opportunities and connections than the average person. I feel zero pity for them.
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Post by Turk on Feb 9, 2011 20:31:35 GMT -5
It goes without saying professional sports is a business not unlike any other business. Most professional sports are polluted by unions, like many businesses unions have done significant damage. In sports the damage has been to players, ownership and most of all us fans. Everything wrong with sports will find its roots with player unions. Unions are responsible for promoting drugs usage in sports, remember the guy from the Dodgers that sniffed the 3rd baseline everyday only to be protected by the so-called union. Like in every aspect of life and business it’s the union that ruins the business and enjoyment.
Many MLB teams have drug policies that have been shot down by unions. Many MLB teams have life guidance training that has been shot down by the unions. Curfews have been shot down by unions. I hate f’ing unions.
Athlete’s careers are short lived, sometimes just days to many years. My son for example played professional baseball making it to Triple A before a career ending injury. He got his initial signing bonus but nothing after the injury. It’s hard to believe but the minimum wage in Triple A baseball is about $1,500 per month and that’s for the 6 months they play. In Rookie league they get $750.00 per month. In the MLB minimum wage is about $350,000 per year paid over 9 months. Few, very few make it to the “show” whether it is baseball, basketball or football. Once a player makes it to the “bigs” even if it’s for a few months they’ll receive a pension for life.
Professional athletes train 360+ days a year for those in the “bigs” they get paid to work out the hopefuls pay for their own gym time. The disparity between the “bigs,” practice squads or lesser leagues is enormous yet both are subject to injury and many time career ending injuries. I do understand the disparity as 90% of those NOT in the bigs are there for one reason and one reason only. It is not because there are legitimate prospects but they are there to provide a field for the legitimate prospects. This is really key.
When my son played Single A in Florida his roommate received a million dollar signing bonus, after taxes a $500,000 Lamborghini and a boat he was borrowing gas money from my son. The union forbids life counseling. Don’t blame ownership, players or fans, the blame is 100% on the union for any and all so-called scams.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 9, 2011 21:30:24 GMT -5
It goes without saying professional sports is a business not unlike any other business. Most professional sports are polluted by unions, like many businesses unions have done significant damage. In sports the damage has been to players, ownership and most of all us fans. Everything wrong with sports will find its roots with player unions. Unions are responsible for promoting drugs usage in sports, remember the guy from the Dodgers that sniffed the 3rd baseline everyday only to be protected by the so-called union. Like in every aspect of life and business it’s the union that ruins the business and enjoyment. Many MLB teams have drug policies that have been shot down by unions. Many MLB teams have life guidance training that has been shot down by the unions. Curfews have been shot down by unions. I hate f’ing unions. Athlete’s careers are short lived, sometimes just days to many years. My son for example played professional baseball making it to Triple A before a career ending injury. He got his initial signing bonus but nothing after the injury. It’s hard to believe but the minimum wage in Triple A baseball is about $1,500 per month and that’s for the 6 months they play. In Rookie league they get $750.00 per month. In the MLB minimum wage is about $350,000 per year paid over 9 months. Few, very few make it to the “show” whether it is baseball, basketball or football. Once a player makes it to the “bigs” even if it’s for a few months they’ll receive a pension for life. Professional athletes train 360+ days a year for those in the “bigs” they get paid to work out the hopefuls pay for their own gym time. The disparity between the “bigs,” practice squads or lesser leagues is enormous yet both are subject to injury and many time career ending injuries. I do understand the disparity as 90% of those NOT in the bigs are there for one reason and one reason only. It is not because there are legitimate prospects but they are there to provide a field for the legitimate prospects. This is really key. When my son played Single A in Florida his roommate received a million dollar signing bonus, after taxes a $500,000 Lamborghini and a boat he was borrowing gas money from my son. The union forbids life counseling. Don’t blame ownership, players or fans, the blame is 100% on the union for any and all so-called scams. Yet ANOTHER area ruined by unions. Thank you, Turk for a more indepth perspective.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 9, 2011 22:12:54 GMT -5
It goes without saying professional sports is a business not unlike any other business. Most professional sports are polluted by unions, like many businesses unions have done significant damage. In sports the damage has been to players, ownership and most of all us fans. Everything wrong with sports will find its roots with player unions. Unions are responsible for promoting drugs usage in sports, remember the guy from the Dodgers that sniffed the 3rd baseline everyday only to be protected by the so-called union. Like in every aspect of life and business it’s the union that ruins the business and enjoyment. Many MLB teams have drug policies that have been shot down by unions. Many MLB teams have life guidance training that has been shot down by the unions. Curfews have been shot down by unions. I hate f’ing unions. Athlete’s careers are short lived, sometimes just days to many years. My son for example played professional baseball making it to Triple A before a career ending injury. He got his initial signing bonus but nothing after the injury. It’s hard to believe but the minimum wage in Triple A baseball is about $1,500 per month and that’s for the 6 months they play. In Rookie league they get $750.00 per month. In the MLB minimum wage is about $350,000 per year paid over 9 months. Few, very few make it to the “show” whether it is baseball, basketball or football. Once a player makes it to the “bigs” even if it’s for a few months they’ll receive a pension for life. Professional athletes train 360+ days a year for those in the “bigs” they get paid to work out the hopefuls pay for their own gym time. The disparity between the “bigs,” practice squads or lesser leagues is enormous yet both are subject to injury and many time career ending injuries. I do understand the disparity as 90% of those NOT in the bigs are there for one reason and one reason only. It is not because there are legitimate prospects but they are there to provide a field for the legitimate prospects. This is really key. When my son played Single A in Florida his roommate received a million dollar signing bonus, after taxes a $500,000 Lamborghini and a boat he was borrowing gas money from my son. The union forbids life counseling. Don’t blame ownership, players or fans, the blame is 100% on the union for any and all so-called scams. I will defer to your obvious expertise on this subject. It will be interesting to see what public opinion is if there is a lockout.
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