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Post by jdredd on Aug 15, 2009 16:44:07 GMT -5
"The elite law breaker spiders are once again trying to spin their predatory webs as 'legitimized'." Again with the animal comparisons. What's up with that? Hey, I wouldn't mind having a far lefty to pick on. JD I think this is your "Guest Philosopher" that you worked before he has just come out of the clouds and into the sewer to play with you somemore! Oh no, I think this guy is a completely different "animal"...
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Post by Tired in CV on Aug 15, 2009 19:35:13 GMT -5
True enough, as far as we know TCV. For the sake of argument I will assume the military was not pulling strings behind the scene. Also, I don't know how compromised the Supreme Court or Congress is by the usual behind-the-scenes wealthy oligarchs and landowners that infest Latin America. All I know is when I see students take to the streets in support of Zelaya, they are where I would put my money on being the good guys whatever the legalisms are or what the WSJ says. In part I cannot deny that he represents some of the poor people. It is often the socialist method of taking control. They offer the poor everything they don't have and get their trust. Then, with the support of the poor (usually a majority of the people) they grab their power, change the constitution and they end up having a socialist government. That is when many of the poor start finding out that they no longer have all the goodies they were given before, massive shortages occur and life becomes no better than before. At this point they have lost control and the military keeps them under control. Hugo Chavez comes to mind as this is what he did and what Zelaya was attempting!
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Post by johng on Aug 17, 2009 18:41:06 GMT -5
True enough, as far as we know TCV. For the sake of argument I will assume the military was not pulling strings behind the scene. Also, I don't know how compromised the Supreme Court or Congress is by the usual behind-the-scenes wealthy oligarchs and landowners that infest Latin America. All I know is when I see students take to the streets in support of Zelaya, they are where I would put my money on being the good guys whatever the legalisms are or what the WSJ says. In part I cannot deny that he represents some of the poor people. It is often the socialist method of taking control. They offer the poor everything they don't have and get their trust. Then, with the support of the poor (usually a majority of the people) they grab their power, change the constitution and they end up having a socialist government. That is when many of the poor start finding out that they no longer have all the goodies they were given before, massive shortages occur and life becomes no better than before. At this point they have lost control and the military keeps them under control. Hugo Chavez comes to mind as this is what he did and what Zelaya was attempting! I am glad you clarified that at the end.. it sounded pretty close to home for a minute
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Post by dolphie on Aug 17, 2009 18:44:05 GMT -5
I am glad you clarified that at the end.. it sounded pretty close to home for a minute I saw a resemblance as well.
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Post by Tired in CV on Aug 17, 2009 21:57:59 GMT -5
I am glad you clarified that at the end.. it sounded pretty close to home for a minute I saw a resemblance as well. That is no coincidence either! That is why we need to make sure that the poor never become a majority. The poor are being ushered more than ever to gain a political advantage and was utilized very effectively in this last election. We can only hope that 2010 will give us some relief! Obama knows this and is why he is pushing key legislation through at a fast pace. Once the 2010 election campaigns begin he may lose the edge he currently holds due to campaign issues. One must be very thankful for the Blue Dog Democrats for the help to slow down the train! We do need to invest in assisting our poor to improve. With the runaway immigration, jobs will not be able to keep pace and we will be generating more poor than ever! Is this the tactic that the extreme left is looking for?
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Post by johng on Aug 18, 2009 13:23:53 GMT -5
I saw a resemblance as well. That is no coincidence either! That is why we need to make sure that the poor never become a majority. The poor are being ushered more than ever to gain a political advantage and was utilized very effectively in this last election. We can only hope that 2010 will give us some relief! Obama knows this and is why he is pushing key legislation through at a fast pace. Once the 2010 election campaigns begin he may lose the edge he currently holds due to campaign issues. One must be very thankful for the Blue Dog Democrats for the help to slow down the train! We do need to invest in assisting our poor to improve. With the runaway immigration, jobs will not be able to keep pace and we will be generating more poor than ever! Is this the tactic that the extreme left is looking for? You can't hang the immigration issue on the Left alone! All parties and all citizens are responsible for that and we will all become accountable soon (already have).
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Post by dolphie on Aug 18, 2009 14:17:35 GMT -5
That is no coincidence either! That is why we need to make sure that the poor never become a majority. The poor are being ushered more than ever to gain a political advantage and was utilized very effectively in this last election. We can only hope that 2010 will give us some relief! Obama knows this and is why he is pushing key legislation through at a fast pace. Once the 2010 election campaigns begin he may lose the edge he currently holds due to campaign issues. One must be very thankful for the Blue Dog Democrats for the help to slow down the train! We do need to invest in assisting our poor to improve. With the runaway immigration, jobs will not be able to keep pace and we will be generating more poor than ever! Is this the tactic that the extreme left is looking for? You can't hang the immigration issue on the Left alone! All parties and all citizens are responsible for that and we will all become accountable soon (already have). You are correct - but we _can_ blame them for the free social services provided at the expense of tax payers (health care, anchor babies, educational degradation, etc). We can blame them for the latest voting fiasco. We can blame them over the fence not being completed, lack of capture and deportation of illegals. We can blame them for the over full jail population due to the criminal illegals. We can blame the right for wanting slave labor for the fields and other manual labor jobs. Which in turn can be blamed on the Unions which is from the left... so even that goes back to the left. *GRIN*
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Post by johng on Aug 18, 2009 16:53:26 GMT -5
The open borders have been like that as long as I have been in San Diego and the same complaints have been there in CA - I came here in 1979. It is shared political nonsense and ruin and the people have continued to vote for the same inactive politicians. Spin it, Dry it but you still have to wear it!
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Post by dolphie on Aug 18, 2009 17:44:18 GMT -5
The open borders have been like that as long as I have been in San Diego and the same complaints have been there in CA - I came here in 1979. It is shared political nonsense and ruin and the people have continued to vote for the same inactive politicians. Spin it, Dry it but you still have to wear it! I have not voted those inactive politicians in AND I support the ones that work for me and not against me. Duncan Hunter has fought illegal immigration prior to that as well as Roger Hedgecock.
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Post by johng on Aug 18, 2009 18:40:57 GMT -5
The open borders have been like that as long as I have been in San Diego and the same complaints have been there in CA - I came here in 1979. It is shared political nonsense and ruin and the people have continued to vote for the same inactive politicians. Spin it, Dry it but you still have to wear it! I have not voted those inactive politicians in AND I support the ones that work for me and not against me. Duncan Hunter has fought illegal immigration prior to that as well as Roger Hedgecock. You know what I meant and Duncan is a good one but he has to have help. Roger makes too much as a radio host to run again for anything.
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Post by dolphie on Aug 18, 2009 18:57:17 GMT -5
I have not voted those inactive politicians in AND I support the ones that work for me and not against me. Duncan Hunter has fought illegal immigration prior to that as well as Roger Hedgecock. You know what I meant and Duncan is a good one but he has to have help. Roger makes too much as a radio host to run again for anything. lil ol' me know what you mean? my my my ! Roger Hedgecock is more effective by being exactly where he is. (well, except I would like to see at least one hour per day for local politics)
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Post by jdredd on Aug 20, 2009 2:16:36 GMT -5
Sorry to say Roger WAS effective. Now that he went national he's one more cookie-cutter Obama-basher. And I blame KOGO, a CORPORATION, who could pay less for him as a national guy than as a KOGO employee. It's happening all over the AM radio world...kind of the Walmartization of talk radio.
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Post by dolphie on Aug 20, 2009 2:48:01 GMT -5
Sorry to say Roger WAS effective. Now that he went national he's one more cookie-cutter Obama-basher. And I blame KOGO, a CORPORATION, who could pay less for him as a national guy than as a KOGO employee. It's happening all over the AM radio world...kind of the Walmartization of talk radio. jdredd, The main thing that lacks with Roger Hedgecock is he is unable to address local politics/events. He is sorely missed in that department as no one in this town is as savvy as he is in dissecting the legal-eze and manipulation of facts in this city, county and state. On a national basis - he is awesome. His listening base has increased and to me it is extremely heartening to hear people from all over the nation with the same thread as myself. I love the people who call in, who email him, who blog on his site and who drop into the chatroom who are from states quite different from ours. Yes, he is on an Obama rant - but no different from when he went after Bush, et al re: illegal immigration. He was tough on Bush about the Border Patrol officers as well. His Obama rant is specific to Nationalized Health Care - which is fine by me. I appreciate the way he stays on top of the subject and how he dissects the legal-eze. Roger Hedgecock is a loyal US American first, a Constitutionalist next and a Libertarian after that. I have heard him beat up on GoP as much as any party. He shows no mercy if the politician is not showing respect for and following our Constitution.
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Post by jdredd on Aug 20, 2009 12:13:49 GMT -5
OK, I was a little hard on Roger. He certainly is head and shoulders above Hannity or Savage. I just hope you are right about his listener base increasing.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 2, 2009 22:37:52 GMT -5
This isn't specifically about Honduras but it concerns Latin America: www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-stone-doc1-2009sep01,0,6813572.story "A big part of the explanation the film advances is that the free-market economic policies pushed by the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund over the last several years largely have failed to alleviate Latin America's chronic income inequality. The film suggests that financial calamities such as the Argentine peso collapse of 2001, combined with Latin suspicions of U.S. drug-eradication efforts and resentment over the selling off of natural resources through multinational companies, also have contributed to the rise of socialist and social-democratic leaders across the region. Ali believes that many United States foreign policy officials still are operating on a Cold War paradigm that prevents them from grasping the changing social realities that have brought a new generation of politicians to power."
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