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Post by johng on Sept 3, 2009 13:42:13 GMT -5
"changing social realities that have brought a new generation of politicians to power."
CODE for UNIONS-THEIVES-THUGS
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Post by jdredd on Sept 7, 2009 3:03:50 GMT -5
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Post by dolphie on Sept 7, 2009 6:58:12 GMT -5
If he is changing his strategy - so be it. He was supporting Zelaya earlier.
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Post by johng on Sept 8, 2009 14:07:04 GMT -5
I'm confident you recognize the tactics, besides he has his hands full here at home with his own communist battles.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 9, 2009 2:18:47 GMT -5
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Post by dolphie on Sept 21, 2009 23:09:46 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204518504574423570828980800.htmlSEPTEMBER 21, 2009 By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY Hillary's Honduras Obsession The U.S. is trying to force the country to violate its constitution. The Supreme Court of Honduras has constitutional and statutory authority to hear cases against the President of the Republic and many other high officers of the State, to adjudicate and enforce judgments, and to request the assistance of the public forces to enforce its rulings." —Congressional Research Service, August 2009 Ever since Manuel Zelaya was removed from the Honduran presidency by that country's Supreme Court and Congress on June 28 for violations of the constitution, the Obama administration has insisted, without any legal basis, that the incident amounts to a "coup d'état" and must be reversed. President Obama has dealt harshly with Honduras, and Americans have been asked to trust their president's proclamations. Now a report filed at the Library of Congress by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) provides what the administration has not offered, a serious legal review of the facts. " Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the Honduran legal system," writes CRS senior foreign law specialist Norma C. Gutierrez in her report.Do the facts matter? Fat chance. The administration is standing by its "coup" charge and 10 days ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton went so far as to sanction the country's independent judiciary. The U.S. won't say why, but its clear the court's sin is rejecting a U.S.-backed proposal to restore Mr. Zelaya to power. The upshot is that the U.S. is trying to force Honduras to violate its own constitution and is also using its international political heft to try to interfere with the country's independent judiciary. Hondurans are worried about what this pressure is doing to their country. Mr. Zelaya's violent supporters are emboldened by the U.S. position. They deface some homes and shops with graffiti and throw stones and home-made bombs into others, and whenever the police try to stop them, they howl about their "human rights." But it may be that Americans should be even more concerned about the heavy-handedness, without legal justification, emanating from the executive branch in Washington. What does it say about Mr. Obama's respect for the separation of powers that he would instruct Mrs. Clinton to punish an independent court because it did not issue the ruling he wanted? Since June 28, the U.S. has been pressuring Honduras to put Mr. Zelaya back in the presidency. But neither Mrs. Clinton's spurious "rule of law" claims or the tire iron handed her by Mr. Obama to use against this little country have been effective in convincing the Honduran judiciary that it ought to abandon its constitution. It seems that Mrs. Clinton is peeved with the court because it ruled that restoring Mr. Zelaya to power under a proposal drafted by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias is unconstitutional. Thus, the State Department decided that in defense of the rule of law it would penalize the members of the Supreme Court for their interpretation of their constitution. Fourteen justices had their U.S. visas pulled. Since the U.S. already had yanked the visa of the 15th member of the court, the one who signed the arrest warrant for Mr. Zelaya, this action completed Mrs. Clinton's assault on the independence of a foreign democracy's highest court. The lesson, presumably, is that judges in small foreign nations are required to accept America's interpretation of their own laws. Thousands of readers have written to me asking how all this can happen in the U.S., where democratic principles have been recognized since the nation's founding. Many readers have written that they are "ashamed" of the U.S. and have asked, in effect, "How can I help Honduras?" A more pertinent question may turn out to be, how can they help their own country? In its actions toward Honduras, the Obama administration is demonstrating contempt for the fundamentals of democracy. Legal scholars are clear on this. "Judicial independence is a central component of any democracy and is crucial to separation of powers, the rule of law and human rights," writes Ahron Barak, the former president of the Supreme Court of Israel and a prominent legal scholar, in his compelling 2006 book, "The Judge in a Democracy." "The purpose of the separation of powers is to strengthen freedom and prevent the concentration of power in the hands of one government actor in a manner likely to harm the freedom of the individual," Mr. Barak explains—almost as if he is writing about Honduras. He also warns prophetically about the Chávez style of democracy that has destroyed Venezuela and that Hondurans say they were trying to avoid in their own country. " Democracy is entitled to defend itself from those who seek to use it in order to destroy its very existence," he writes. Americans ought to ask themselves why the Obama administration doesn't seem to agree.Write to O'Grady@wsj.com
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Post by jdredd on Sept 22, 2009 0:28:32 GMT -5
I think there is something going on in Honduras beyond what we have heard so far. I admit my total distrust of the Murdoch Street Journal's coverage. I'm going to try to find some further points of view on this situation.
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Post by dolphie on Sept 22, 2009 0:53:43 GMT -5
I think there is something going on in Honduras beyond what we have heard so far. I admit my total distrust of the Murdoch Street Journal's coverage. I'm going to try to find some further points of view on this situation. I understand your point - but, I also weigh in that Chavez (Venezuela) is supporting Zelaya. Give what the interim president (which btw, according to their constitution can never run for president again even though he is just standing in until the election process is completed) and what Chavez said, I would say the WSJ is pretty on top of things. Also - I have been horrified to find some fairly liberal articles coming out of the WSJ. I thought it was supposed to be a business journal but YEACH libby articles? tsk tsk tsk
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Post by jdredd on Sept 22, 2009 3:13:51 GMT -5
I don't think Murdoch allows the WSJ to lean as far to the right as FOX news. The WSJ still has SOME credibility. But if you don't like the much demonized Chavez, then I suppose his support of Zelaya would put up a red flag. And I'd guess red still means commie down there.
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Post by dolphie on Sept 22, 2009 3:59:11 GMT -5
I don't think Murdoch allows the WSJ to lean as far to the right as FOX news. The WSJ still has SOME credibility. But if you don't like the much demonized Chavez, then I suppose his support of Zelaya would put up a red flag. And I'd guess red still means commie down there. Chavez demonized himself by acting like a the proverbial short man complex male. He is like a little ankle biter yapping away. He has some of the bigger countries listening to him due to the oil and a southern exposure towards weapons on these continents. He is a little dictator that sold his own people out - for that, he disgusts me.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 30, 2009 16:03:19 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-honduras30-2009sep30,0,5877719.story As usual, the truth will eventually find it's way out. The facade of lawfulness for the coup makers is beginning to crumble. The true faces behind the coup are showing. "He echoed similar remarks from Adolfo Facusse, president of the National Industrial Assn., who told The Times a day earlier that the business elite would give "a green light" to putting Zelaya back in the presidential seat under guaranteed limitations on his powers." "But increasingly Washington and other capitals announced they would not recognize a president elected under these circumstances. That message also seemed to be getting through to backers of the coup, participants in the meeting indicated. And Micheletti's suspension of civil liberties made some worry the elections might not take place at all." In the print version of the article, it says even more: "To the extent Micheletti is more isolated, his dependence on the military is greater" said Victor Meza, the interior minister of Zelaya's government..."A deeper alliance with military hard-liners...is a major obstacle to dialogue and finding a negotiated solution"
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Post by johng on Sept 30, 2009 19:27:37 GMT -5
So the union commies are behind Zeleya and the coup is ok as long as the International Commie Union has control of his powers. JD even you can't buy into that - can you?
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Post by jdredd on Sept 30, 2009 19:54:06 GMT -5
The National Industrial Assn is a business group, not a Union.
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Post by johng on Sept 30, 2009 20:11:21 GMT -5
The National Industrial Assn is a business group, not a Union. Yeah I hear ya..
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Post by dolphie on Oct 1, 2009 2:49:57 GMT -5
Oh come on, JD. You read things better than this commentary is. That poor little country is being bullied by our country and you goddess Hillary. What the heck do you expect from them? Zelaya is a communist that the PEOPLE wanted out as he was going to attempt to change their constitution. That is quite similar to what happened in Venezuela and what is occurring in our own country under the noses of the mesmerized. www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-honduras30-2009sep30,0,5877719.story As usual, the truth will eventually find it's way out. The facade of lawfulness for the coup makers is beginning to crumble. The true faces behind the coup are showing. "He echoed similar remarks from Adolfo Facusse, president of the National Industrial Assn., who told The Times a day earlier that the business elite would give "a green light" to putting Zelaya back in the presidential seat under guaranteed limitations on his powers." "But increasingly Washington and other capitals announced they would not recognize a president elected under these circumstances. That message also seemed to be getting through to backers of the coup, participants in the meeting indicated. And Micheletti's suspension of civil liberties made some worry the elections might not take place at all." In the print version of the article, it says even more: "To the extent Micheletti is more isolated, his dependence on the military is greater" said Victor Meza, the interior minister of Zelaya's government..."A deeper alliance with military hard-liners...is a major obstacle to dialogue and finding a negotiated solution"
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