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Post by dolphie on Nov 2, 2009 21:04:30 GMT -5
Now... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571069,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r2:c0.000000:b0:z5 Clinic Apologizes for Telling Muslim Doctor She Can't Wear HeadscarfMonday, November 02, 2009 AP DALLAS — A suburban Dallas medical clinic has apologized to a Muslim doctor for telling her during a job interview that she would not be allowed to wear her headscarf while at work. How often does she wash the thing? I thought they were going after the ties doctors wore and any other item of clothing that wasn't regularly sanitized. Now are they going to force people to be treated by her? Good points, Jack. My other point is this: If the Judeo-Christian religious symbol is to cause a job loss the headwear should do the same. No special privileges. ***btw - I am not disagreeing with dj's point either. The employer has the right to set parameters.*** Otherwise - if they are to be forced to cater to religions - then they have the right to interfere with religions. Religion and personal problems do not belong in a place of business.
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Post by Turk on Nov 2, 2009 21:06:12 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570685,00.htmlClinic Forbids Muslim Doctor to Wear Headscarf Saturday, October 31, 2009 AP DALLAS — A Muslim doctor interviewing for a job at a suburban Dallas medical clinic says officials there told her she couldn't wear her headscarf while working. (snip) The Council on American-Islamic Relations wrote CareNow this week on Zaki's behalf pointing out the law requires employers to make reasonable religious accommodations for employees. The Washington-based advocacy group explained to the company that like many Muslim women, Zaki covers her head as a sign of modesty and religious belief.... This is an interesting story, AND it's illustrative of my position on these kinds of things (bonus!): In both this case, and the case of Home Depot firing that worker last week for refusing to remove a button from his apron, I am on the side of the employer 100%. The employer's policy is no headwear. That means no headwear. It doesn't mean "no headwear unless you are practicing an extreme level of modesty or advertising your faith." It means no headwear. The employer's policy would only be discriminatory if it distinguished between kinds of headwear, for instance if beanies were OK but her hijab was not because it was "religious". Also, in this case it is a specious argument for the woman to claim she needs a religious accomodation. The hijab, or any other form of ritually covering one's head for modesty, is cultural. It is not a requirement of the religion. It is optional and is used by a person to SIGNIFY something, not to adhere to requirements. In the Home Depot case, the guy who claims he was fired because he wanted to wear a button with "under God" on it, was also consciously violating a company policy. All buttons on the apron must be company approved buttons. Period. It's terrific that he wanted to wear a "patriotic" button but the fact is that he refused to wear one of any number of "patriotic" buttons which the company has already approved. He also could have just put the button on his shirt and not the apron. Apparently this is allowed. As a Home Deport stock holder I’m not one who would want to see any story that may impact trading. I frequent Home Depot from Encinitas to Lake Elsinore 50+ plus times per year including today. I support Home Deports policy but in this case I find Home Deport grossly hypocritical. Just today at the Murrieta store the cashier wore a badge on her apron that displayed the words, “Jesus Saves.”
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Post by Turk on Nov 2, 2009 21:22:54 GMT -5
Now... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571069,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r2:c0.000000:b0:z5 Clinic Apologizes for Telling Muslim Doctor She Can't Wear HeadscarfMonday, November 02, 2009 AP DALLAS — A suburban Dallas medical clinic has apologized to a Muslim doctor for telling her during a job interview that she would not be allowed to wear her headscarf while at work. Dr. Hena Zaki of Plano said Friday that she was shocked when officials at CareNow, which operates 22 clinics in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, told her in person and later by e-mail that a no-hat policy extended to her hijab. Zaki had been on a tour of a CareNow clinic in Allen, Texas, two weeks ago when she said the regional medical director told her he didn't want her to be surprised about the policy during orientation. "He interrupted the interview and said he didn't want me to take this the wrong way," Zaki said. "Like an FYI." Zaki demanded an apology and a change in CareNow's policies to accommodate expressions of religious belief — "whether it be a turban or facial hair." On Friday, CareNow President Tim Miller told the Associated Press: "I would apologize for any misunderstanding, definitely ... but I don't really feel like there is anything that we did that is wrong and our policy is wrong." The next day, as reported by MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth, Miller wrote in a statement:
"We apologize to Dr. Zaki for the misunderstanding. We will clarify our policy, and will continue our ongoing sensitivity training." "Care Now has made religious accommodations for employees in the past," he said, adding that the company is interested in "sitting down with Dr. Zaki and discussing a job." CareNow says it does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion or national origin when making employment decisions. The Civil Rights Act requires companies to make accommodations for employees' religious beliefs. Zaki, who's searching for her first job after recently finishing her residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, has worn her headscarf since age 14 and said other places she's worked have not had a problem with it. "It's not a hat," she said. "It's not sports memorabilia." Click here for more from MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth. How often does she wash the thing? I thought they were going after the ties doctors wore and any other item of clothing that wasn't regularly sanitized. Now are they going to force people to be treated by her? WOW that's just what I'm thinking I don't want someone leaning over me with some rag that may not have been washed in years even if she has small hands (just for you JG) or not.
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Post by Tired in CV on Nov 2, 2009 23:36:06 GMT -5
H Rap Brown has been out of the "black power" movement for years. As stated, this group is dwarfed by mainstream Sunni Muslims. I love dogs as much as anybody. Whoever puit the comments in parntheses is just baiting and downright foolish. The FBI dog was a puppy? Never heard of a puppy police dog. Unfortunately during a shootout, the "bad guys" are unlikely to worry about a dog. It states that H Rap Brown is a VETERAN of the Black Power Movement. Not that he was a current leader of the group. It doesn't matter if his group is "dwarfed" by other groups or not, they had intent to damage our govenment! It doesn't matter if that is only ONE PERSON! As far as the dog goes, many law enforcement agencies that utilize dogs, begin their training as puppies. It is quite possible that a well trained dog may begin service before it is full grown. As this dog was with them at this event means this dog must have been well trained. During a shootout it is quite the concern that the dog can move much quicker, is a much smaller target and can interfer enough with a person that they cannot defend themselves against the agents. They had plenty to worry about with the dog. As criminals, they were smart in "taking out" the dog. Don't take that statement as approval because I don't approve of what they did. Their killing of a "service dog" may carry the same level of recourse as killing a person....and rightly so!
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Post by Tired in CV on Nov 2, 2009 23:44:16 GMT -5
As a Home Deport stock holder I’m not one who would want to see any story that may impact trading. I frequent Home Depot from Encinitas to Lake Elsinore 50+ plus times per year including today. I support Home Deports policy but in this case I find Home Deport grossly hypocritical. Just today at the Murrieta store the cashier wore a badge on her apron that displayed the words, “Jesus Saves.” One question, was THAT badge APPROVED? If not you have a point, if it was, then the other guy just chose the wrong button or place to put it! It seems that his "badge" was only mentioned when he brought his bible in to work. I know many places where that will raise a flag. Yet, if the bible is put away and brought out and read or discussed during "authorized" breaks and lunch, I don't find a problem with having it at work either.
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Post by Turk on Nov 2, 2009 23:48:38 GMT -5
H Rap Brown has been out of the "black power" movement for years. As stated, this group is dwarfed by mainstream Sunni Muslims. I love dogs as much as anybody. Whoever puit the comments in parntheses is just baiting and downright foolish. The FBI dog was a puppy? Never heard of a puppy police dog. Unfortunately during a shootout, the "bad guys" are unlikely to worry about a dog. It states that H Rap Brown is a VETERAN of the Black Power Movement. Not that he was a current leader of the group. It doesn't matter if his group is "dwarfed" by other groups or not, they had intent to damage our govenment! It doesn't matter if that is only ONE PERSON! As far as the dog goes, many law enforcement agencies that utilize dogs, begin their training as puppies. It is quite possible that a well trained dog may begin service before it is full grown. As this dog was with them at this event means this dog must have been well trained. During a shootout it is quite the concern that the dog can move much quicker, is a much smaller target and can interfer enough with a person that they cannot defend themselves against the agents. They had plenty to worry about with the dog. As criminals, they were smart in "taking out" the dog. Don't take that statement as approval because I don't approve of what they did. Their killing of a "service dog" may carry the same level of recourse as killing a person....and rightly so! The dog did not look like a puppy to me and no police department would put a puppy in service. If someone shots a police dog it is the same as shooting a cop plain and simple and should carry the same penalty.
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Post by dolphie on Nov 3, 2009 0:59:56 GMT -5
It states that H Rap Brown is a VETERAN of the Black Power Movement. Not that he was a current leader of the group. It doesn't matter if his group is "dwarfed" by other groups or not, they had intent to damage our govenment! It doesn't matter if that is only ONE PERSON! As far as the dog goes, many law enforcement agencies that utilize dogs, begin their training as puppies. It is quite possible that a well trained dog may begin service before it is full grown. As this dog was with them at this event means this dog must have been well trained. During a shootout it is quite the concern that the dog can move much quicker, is a much smaller target and can interfer enough with a person that they cannot defend themselves against the agents. They had plenty to worry about with the dog. As criminals, they were smart in "taking out" the dog. Don't take that statement as approval because I don't approve of what they did. Their killing of a "service dog" may carry the same level of recourse as killing a person....and rightly so! The dog did not look like a puppy to me and no police department would put a puppy in service. If someone shots a police dog it is the same as shooting a cop plain and simple and should carry the same penalty. Puppy dog and puppy are two different things. bruce hijacked the meaning and brought it into being a puppy. On a second note, the dogs go into service young - meaning some under 1 yr of age. Typically a dog is still considered a 'pup' under two years of age and especially 1 year and under. The dogs are frequently referred to as 'pups.' In many circles, German Shepherds are not considered mature until about 3 years of age. The first year is growing tall, the second year is building bulk, the third year is typically maturing out. It has to do with bone growth and stabilization of the skeleton. A good GSD female is not bred until she is between 2.5 and 3 years of age. The other breeds are not a lot different - taking size into consideration. The extensive training these dogs undergo AND the handlers undergo - is extremely expensive and time consuming. I know people who train dogs, train the handlers (officers) and train them as a team. The training process does not stop - it continues for the rest of the dogs' service life (and the trainers' time with the dogs). Some dogs are cross trained - others are focus trained (K9, bomb, Narc, search & rescue, tracking, etc). Trainer + Dog = many $1,000s of dollars. Not just in the purchase of a well-bred dog, but a dog that was birthed by a good female, handled correctly from birth, assessed as to strengths, etc. Back on point - A K9 is an officer - well trained and efficient. It is no different than focusing on a human police officer.
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Post by johng on Nov 3, 2009 15:30:27 GMT -5
"WOW that's just what I'm thinking I don't want someone leaning over me with some rag that may not have been washed in years even if she has small hands (just for you JG) or not. " She is really CUTE and does not wear anything over that nice long black hair which she flips occassionally with those 'small hands"! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) As for the actual story - if she wants to work in the Medical field and treat people then the jihab - bebop whatever stays at home for closed door attractions. IMO wigs are more fun ;D
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Post by dolphie on Nov 24, 2009 15:23:34 GMT -5
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington
Is it that believing in a Superior Being (that is omnipotent, good and who wants good for all of us) keeps us humble and less inclined to become arrogant and narcissistic?
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Post by johng on Nov 24, 2009 15:40:19 GMT -5
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington Is it that believing in a Superior Being (that is omnipotent, good and who wants good for all of us) keeps us humble and less inclined to become arrogant and narcissistic? YES.
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Post by jdredd on Nov 25, 2009 1:02:41 GMT -5
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington Is it that believing in a Superior Being (that is omnipotent, good and who wants good for all of us) keeps us humble and less inclined to become arrogant and narcissistic? I'd love to believe that is true, but I've yet to see any evidence it is.
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Post by johng on Nov 25, 2009 16:52:11 GMT -5
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington Is it that believing in a Superior Being (that is omnipotent, good and who wants good for all of us) keeps us humble and less inclined to become arrogant and narcissistic? I'd love to believe that is true, but I've yet to see any evidence it is. Believe it JD. The so called evidence your seeing is the inverse activity.
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Post by dolphie on Nov 25, 2009 17:01:06 GMT -5
Catholics taken to task on a personal level relative to abortion, marriage, divorce, etc. Now Patrick Kennedy has opted to politicize what was said in private to him on the part of Bishop Tobin and published letters from two years ago... when Senior Kennedy was still alive. realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/11/24/patrick-kennedy-the-bishop-and-ri-politics/I wonder if the other Dems who support abortion, have affairs, etc, will be privately instructed to not partake of communion as well. As the Bishop said, they are not forced to be Catholics. Yet if they choose to be Catholic, they must look at why this is and then follow the tenants of the rch.
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Post by johng on Nov 25, 2009 17:05:53 GMT -5
Catholics taken to task on a personal level relative to abortion, marriage, divorce, etc. Now Patrick Kennedy has opted to politicize what was said in private to him on the part of Bishop Tobin and published letters from two years ago... when Senior Kennedy was still alive. realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/11/24/patrick-kennedy-the-bishop-and-ri-politics/I wonder if the other Dems who support abortion, have affairs, etc, will be privately instructed to not partake of communion as well. As the Bishop said, they are not forced to be Catholics. Yet if they choose to be Catholic, they must look at why this is and then follow the tenants of the rch. This is necessary as the final frontier for the Liberals to destroy the rch and word of God in this country. The Kennedy boys have been at the root of this movement from the start so nothing new here. The rch is better off leaving them to the Devil they chose long ago and not dragging the rch through the coals to Liberal Hell.
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Post by jdredd on Nov 25, 2009 17:18:36 GMT -5
Just like America as a whole, the Catholic rch has both it's left wing and right wing fighting with each other. There are some very liberal bishops and some very conservative ones. That some of the conservative ones have decided to go after liberal Catholic politicians is unfortunate and divisive in my opinion, and weakens the rch. Those bishops will have to answer to God for their actions.
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