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Post by Turk on Oct 29, 2009 16:34:31 GMT -5
It is curious the victims were shot in the legs, I could spin that a lot of ways.
I’m not a religious person but I do find it interesting the Larry David story has not resonated.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 29, 2009 16:48:27 GMT -5
It is curious the victims were shot in the legs, I could spin that a lot of ways. I’m not a religious person but I do find it interesting the Larry David story has not resonated. I don't think anyone's religious beliefs should be disrespected in that type of fashion. Humor is one thing - I can take as many Native American/Spiritual jokes as the next person - but urinating on a painting depicting Christ is wrong on many levels. I must say though - I do not like the Muslim way of thinking. I don't like women being treated like less than animals. I don't like the violence. I don't like that they think they should be the one and only ANYTHING. Other than that - whatever one believes, if it causes no injury to others and it heals/enhances one's self - then by all means - go for it.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 29, 2009 17:41:09 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570146,00.html Imam Who Led Radical Islam Group Killed in FBI Raid Wednesday, October 28, 2009 DETROIT — Federal authorities on Wednesday arrested several members of a radical Sunni Islam group in the U.S., killing one of its leaders at a shootout in a Michigan warehouse, the U.S. attorney's office said. Agents were trying to arrest Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, at a Dearborn warehouse on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. Authorities also conducted raids elsewhere to try to round up 10 followers named in a federal complaint. Abdullah refused to surrender, fired a weapon and was killed by gunfire from agents, FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said. In the 43-paged complaint unsealed Wednesday, the FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States. No one was charged with terrorism. But Abdullah was "advocating and encouraging his followers to commit violent acts against the United States," FBI agent Gary Leone said in an affidavit. He told them it was their " duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die," Leone said. Abdullah regularly preached anti-government rhetoric and was trained, along with his followers, in the use of firearms, martial arts and swords, the agent said. Leone said members of the national group mostly are black and some converted to Islam while in prisons across the United States. " Abdullah preaches that every Muslim should have a weapon, and should not be scared to use their weapon when needed," Leone wrote. Seven of the 10 people charged with Abdullah were in custody, including a state prison inmate, the U.S. attorney's office said. Three were still at large. Another man not named in the complaint also was arrested. The group believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said. Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison. "They're not taking their cues from overseas," said Jimmy Jones, a professor of world religions at Manhattanville College and a longtime Muslim prison chaplain. " This group is very much American born and bred." The movement at one time was believed to include a couple of dozen mosques around the country. Ummah is now dwarfed in numbers and influence by other African-American Muslim groups, particularly the mainstream Sunnis who were led by Imam W.D. Mohammed, who recently died. By evening, authorities still were working the scene near the Detroit-Dearborn border and the warehouse was surrounded by police tape. The U.S. attorney's office said an FBI dog was also killed during the shootout. {{{ Jerks should not be killing dogs! or us for that matter - but a puppy dog? Where is the left at times like this? Cruelty to the pets - where is PETA?}}} Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a quiet, residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah." Several men congregated on the porch Wednesday night and subsequently attacked a photographer from The Detroit News who was taking pictures from across the street. Ricardo Thomas had his camera equipment smashed and had a bloody lip from the attack. Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn, said the FBI had briefed him about Wednesday's raids and told him they were the result of a two-year investigation. "We know that this is not something to be projected as something against Muslims," Hamad said. The complaint shows the FBI built its case with the help of confidential sources close to Abdullah who recorded conversations. A source said that Abdullah regularly beat children inside the mosque with sticks, including a boy who was "unable to walk for several days," Leone said. The source, according to the agent, regularly listened to a recording of a 2004 sermon in which Abdullah said, "Do not carry a pistol if you're going to give it up to police. You give them a bullet!" In January 2009, members were evicted from a former mosque for failing to pay property taxes. An FBI search turned up empty shell casings and large holes in the concrete wall of a "shooting range," Leone said. Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the federal authorities' description of Abdullah's extremist links didn't match what he knew of Abdullah. "I knew him to be charitable," Walid said. "He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people. ... I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior." Abdullah had a wife and children, Walid said. A phone number for the family had been disconnected.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Oct 29, 2009 18:34:18 GMT -5
"Do not carry a pistol if you're going to give it up to police. You give them a bullet!"
So, this Abdulluh guys is not only a freak, he's a plagiarizer. That phrase has been around probably as long as he's been alive.
It was interesting to see H. Rap Brown's name pop up in the article. He actually was involved with the original Black Panther Party. It brings memories of some other notables: Huey Newton, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver. Let us not forget Elijia Mohammed.
They were interesting times.
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Post by Turk on Oct 29, 2009 18:49:01 GMT -5
"Do not carry a pistol if you're going to give it up to police. You give them a bullet!" So, this Abdulluh guys is not only a freak, he's a plagiarizer. That phrase has been around probably as long as he's been alive. It was interesting to see H. Rap Brown's name pop up in the article. He actually was involved with the original Black Panther Party. It brings memories of some other notables: Huey Newton, Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver. Let us not forget Elijia Mohammed. They were interesting times. Don't forget Angela Davis I always envied her hair.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Oct 29, 2009 18:52:03 GMT -5
Don't forget Angela Davis I always envied her hair. Oh yeah. Forgot about her. Didn't she date Nick Tesla?
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Post by johng on Oct 30, 2009 20:23:29 GMT -5
Don't forget Angela Davis I always envied her hair. Oh yeah. Forgot about her. Didn't she date Nick Tesla? Now that'll put a spark in your Techno music
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Post by jdredd on Oct 31, 2009 1:53:48 GMT -5
This is something I need atheists to explain to me: Without God, how can our existence be of any significance?
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Post by johng on Oct 31, 2009 14:47:53 GMT -5
This is something I need atheists to explain to me: Without God, how can our existence be of any significance? IMO your answer may well be buried in your answer to the reverse question. Ask then answer in your own heart for that wisdom resides within!
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Post by dolphie on Oct 31, 2009 18:33:44 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570685,00.htmlClinic Forbids Muslim Doctor to Wear Headscarf Saturday, October 31, 2009 AP DALLAS — A Muslim doctor interviewing for a job at a suburban Dallas medical clinic says officials there told her she couldn't wear her headscarf while working. Dr. Hena Zaki of Plano said Friday that she was shocked when CareNow officials told her in person and later by e-mail that a no-hat policy extended to her hijab. Zaki had been on a tour of an Allen CareNow clinic two weeks ago when she said the regional medical director told her he didn't want her to be surprised about the policy during orientation. "He interrupted the interview and said he didn't want me to take this the wrong way," Zaki said. "Like an FYI." Zaki wants an apology and a change in CareNow's policies to accommodate expressions of religious belief — "whether it be a turban or facial hair." However, CareNow President Tim Miller said he doesn't see anything wrong with the policy. "I don't really feel like there is a need to apologize," Miller told The Associated Press on Friday evening. "I would apologize for any misunderstanding, definitely ... but I don't really feel like there is anything that we did that is wrong and our policy is wrong." Miller said CareNow makes exceptions for people who want religious accommodations all the time and that Zaki is welcome to apply for a position with the company. In a statement issued earlier, CareNow, a Coppell-based operator of 22 clinics in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, said it does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion or national origin when making employment decisions. After her tour of the Allen clinic, Zaki, 29, and her husband, Rehan, wrote an e-mail to CareNow's human resources department asking if in fact the policy does apply to her headscarf and explaining they felt discriminated against. The Zakis said CareNow's chief medical director gave a short reply saying that was correct and copied in several other CareNow officials. The Council on American-Islamic Relations wrote CareNow this week on Zaki's behalf pointing out the law requires employers to make reasonable religious accommodations for employees. The Washington-based advocacy group explained to the company that like many Muslim women, Zaki covers her head as a sign of modesty and religious belief. CareNow has not responded to CAIR's letter. "It's obvious it's a blatant violation," said CAIR's civil rights manager, Khadija Athman. "It's a very straightforward case of religious accommodation. I cannot see any undue hardship on the part of the employer to accommodate to wear a headscarf." CAIR officials say complaints from women being told to not wear a hijab in the workplace have become rare in recent years as more employers become informed of their responsibilities under the Civil Rights Act. The law also prevents employers from avoiding religious accommodations because they think the public might not be comfortable with a certain practice, Athman said. Zaki, who's searching for her first job after recently finishing her residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, has worn her headscarf since age 14 and said other places she's worked have not had a problem with it. "It's not a hat," she said. "It's not sports memorabilia."
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Post by dj on Nov 2, 2009 20:19:50 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570685,00.htmlClinic Forbids Muslim Doctor to Wear Headscarf Saturday, October 31, 2009 AP DALLAS — A Muslim doctor interviewing for a job at a suburban Dallas medical clinic says officials there told her she couldn't wear her headscarf while working. (snip) The Council on American-Islamic Relations wrote CareNow this week on Zaki's behalf pointing out the law requires employers to make reasonable religious accommodations for employees. The Washington-based advocacy group explained to the company that like many Muslim women, Zaki covers her head as a sign of modesty and religious belief.... This is an interesting story, AND it's illustrative of my position on these kinds of things (bonus!): In both this case, and the case of Home Depot firing that worker last week for refusing to remove a button from his apron, I am on the side of the employer 100%. The employer's policy is no headwear. That means no headwear. It doesn't mean "no headwear unless you are practicing an extreme level of modesty or advertising your faith." It means no headwear. The employer's policy would only be discriminatory if it distinguished between kinds of headwear, for instance if beanies were OK but her hijab was not because it was "religious". Also, in this case it is a specious argument for the woman to claim she needs a religious accomodation. The hijab, or any other form of ritually covering one's head for modesty, is cultural. It is not a requirement of the religion. It is optional and is used by a person to SIGNIFY something, not to adhere to requirements. In the Home Depot case, the guy who claims he was fired because he wanted to wear a button with "under God" on it, was also consciously violating a company policy. All buttons on the apron must be company approved buttons. Period. It's terrific that he wanted to wear a "patriotic" button but the fact is that he refused to wear one of any number of "patriotic" buttons which the company has already approved. He also could have just put the button on his shirt and not the apron. Apparently this is allowed.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Nov 2, 2009 20:22:37 GMT -5
Like a laser beam, DJ.
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Post by dolphie on Nov 2, 2009 20:46:47 GMT -5
Now... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571069,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r2:c0.000000:b0:z5 Clinic Apologizes for Telling Muslim Doctor She Can't Wear HeadscarfMonday, November 02, 2009 AP DALLAS — A suburban Dallas medical clinic has apologized to a Muslim doctor for telling her during a job interview that she would not be allowed to wear her headscarf while at work. Dr. Hena Zaki of Plano said Friday that she was shocked when officials at CareNow, which operates 22 clinics in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, told her in person and later by e-mail that a no-hat policy extended to her hijab. Zaki had been on a tour of a CareNow clinic in Allen, Texas, two weeks ago when she said the regional medical director told her he didn't want her to be surprised about the policy during orientation. "He interrupted the interview and said he didn't want me to take this the wrong way," Zaki said. "Like an FYI." Zaki demanded an apology and a change in CareNow's policies to accommodate expressions of religious belief — "whether it be a turban or facial hair." On Friday, CareNow President Tim Miller told the Associated Press: "I would apologize for any misunderstanding, definitely ... but I don't really feel like there is anything that we did that is wrong and our policy is wrong." The next day, as reported by MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth, Miller wrote in a statement:
"We apologize to Dr. Zaki for the misunderstanding. We will clarify our policy, and will continue our ongoing sensitivity training." "Care Now has made religious accommodations for employees in the past," he said, adding that the company is interested in "sitting down with Dr. Zaki and discussing a job." CareNow says it does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion or national origin when making employment decisions. The Civil Rights Act requires companies to make accommodations for employees' religious beliefs. Zaki, who's searching for her first job after recently finishing her residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, has worn her headscarf since age 14 and said other places she's worked have not had a problem with it. "It's not a hat," she said. "It's not sports memorabilia." Click here for more from MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth.
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Post by bruce on Nov 2, 2009 20:54:38 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570146,00.html Imam Who Led Radical Islam Group Killed in FBI Raid Wednesday, October 28, 2009 DETROIT — Federal authorities on Wednesday arrested several members of a radical Sunni Islam group in the U.S., killing one of its leaders at a shootout in a Michigan warehouse, the U.S. attorney's office said. Agents were trying to arrest Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, at a Dearborn warehouse on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. Authorities also conducted raids elsewhere to try to round up 10 followers named in a federal complaint. Abdullah refused to surrender, fired a weapon and was killed by gunfire from agents, FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said. In the 43-paged complaint unsealed Wednesday, the FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States. No one was charged with terrorism. But Abdullah was "advocating and encouraging his followers to commit violent acts against the United States," FBI agent Gary Leone said in an affidavit. He told them it was their " duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die," Leone said. Abdullah regularly preached anti-government rhetoric and was trained, along with his followers, in the use of firearms, martial arts and swords, the agent said. Leone said members of the national group mostly are black and some converted to Islam while in prisons across the United States. " Abdullah preaches that every Muslim should have a weapon, and should not be scared to use their weapon when needed," Leone wrote. Seven of the 10 people charged with Abdullah were in custody, including a state prison inmate, the U.S. attorney's office said. Three were still at large. Another man not named in the complaint also was arrested. The group believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said. Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison. "They're not taking their cues from overseas," said Jimmy Jones, a professor of world religions at Manhattanville College and a longtime Muslim prison chaplain. " This group is very much American born and bred." The movement at one time was believed to include a couple of dozen mosques around the country. Ummah is now dwarfed in numbers and influence by other African-American Muslim groups, particularly the mainstream Sunnis who were led by Imam W.D. Mohammed, who recently died. By evening, authorities still were working the scene near the Detroit-Dearborn border and the warehouse was surrounded by police tape. The U.S. attorney's office said an FBI dog was also killed during the shootout. {{{ Jerks should not be killing dogs! or us for that matter - but a puppy dog? Where is the left at times like this? Cruelty to the pets - where is PETA?}}} Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a quiet, residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah." Several men congregated on the porch Wednesday night and subsequently attacked a photographer from The Detroit News who was taking pictures from across the street. Ricardo Thomas had his camera equipment smashed and had a bloody lip from the attack. Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn, said the FBI had briefed him about Wednesday's raids and told him they were the result of a two-year investigation. "We know that this is not something to be projected as something against Muslims," Hamad said. The complaint shows the FBI built its case with the help of confidential sources close to Abdullah who recorded conversations. A source said that Abdullah regularly beat children inside the mosque with sticks, including a boy who was "unable to walk for several days," Leone said. The source, according to the agent, regularly listened to a recording of a 2004 sermon in which Abdullah said, "Do not carry a pistol if you're going to give it up to police. You give them a bullet!" In January 2009, members were evicted from a former mosque for failing to pay property taxes. An FBI search turned up empty shell casings and large holes in the concrete wall of a "shooting range," Leone said. Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the federal authorities' description of Abdullah's extremist links didn't match what he knew of Abdullah. "I knew him to be charitable," Walid said. "He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people. ... I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior." Abdullah had a wife and children, Walid said. A phone number for the family had been disconnected. H Rap Brown has been out of the "black power" movement for years. As stated, this group is dwarfed by mainstream Sunni Muslims. I love dogs as much as anybody. Whoever puit the comments in parntheses is just baiting and downright foolish. The FBI dog was a puppy? Never heard of a puppy police dog. Unfortunately during a shootout, the "bad guys" are unlikely to worry about a dog.
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Post by Jack on Nov 2, 2009 20:55:32 GMT -5
Now... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571069,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r2:c0.000000:b0:z5 Clinic Apologizes for Telling Muslim Doctor She Can't Wear HeadscarfMonday, November 02, 2009 AP DALLAS — A suburban Dallas medical clinic has apologized to a Muslim doctor for telling her during a job interview that she would not be allowed to wear her headscarf while at work. Dr. Hena Zaki of Plano said Friday that she was shocked when officials at CareNow, which operates 22 clinics in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, told her in person and later by e-mail that a no-hat policy extended to her hijab. Zaki had been on a tour of a CareNow clinic in Allen, Texas, two weeks ago when she said the regional medical director told her he didn't want her to be surprised about the policy during orientation. "He interrupted the interview and said he didn't want me to take this the wrong way," Zaki said. "Like an FYI." Zaki demanded an apology and a change in CareNow's policies to accommodate expressions of religious belief — "whether it be a turban or facial hair." On Friday, CareNow President Tim Miller told the Associated Press: "I would apologize for any misunderstanding, definitely ... but I don't really feel like there is anything that we did that is wrong and our policy is wrong." The next day, as reported by MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth, Miller wrote in a statement:
"We apologize to Dr. Zaki for the misunderstanding. We will clarify our policy, and will continue our ongoing sensitivity training." "Care Now has made religious accommodations for employees in the past," he said, adding that the company is interested in "sitting down with Dr. Zaki and discussing a job." CareNow says it does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion or national origin when making employment decisions. The Civil Rights Act requires companies to make accommodations for employees' religious beliefs. Zaki, who's searching for her first job after recently finishing her residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, has worn her headscarf since age 14 and said other places she's worked have not had a problem with it. "It's not a hat," she said. "It's not sports memorabilia." Click here for more from MyFoxDallas/Fort Worth. How often does she wash the thing? I thought they were going after the ties doctors wore and any other item of clothing that wasn't regularly sanitized. Now are they going to force people to be treated by her?
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