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Post by jdredd on Feb 5, 2011 11:55:38 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-disappeared-20110205,0,190997.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29 "Egypt's disappeared haunt the collective consciousness; they are an emblem of life in a modern police state. The uprising convulsing the country is in part a reaction to sweeping police powers of three decades running, a key enforcement mechanism of Mubarak's authoritarian rule." "Even in normal times, secret detentions are commonplace, but the maelstrom of protests has heightened that peril. Few expect this government to account for those picked up for challenging it. That is why people like Mohammed Said Ali — the weeping father who came to Tahrir Square on Friday, seeking some word of his son — are paralyzed by terror over the fate of those who have vanished." This is the thug regime some want to save.
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Post by lou on Feb 5, 2011 12:01:51 GMT -5
With the clown in the White House orchestrating the "transition" from Mubarak to an interim govt, Egypt will fall quite nicely into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a repetition of Jimmy Carter all over again. We are treated to Obama's rhetoric about "democracy" yet this very rhetoric was missing when the Iranians were rioting in the streets after the so-called election of Achma...d.
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Post by Turk on Feb 5, 2011 12:05:58 GMT -5
With the clown in the White House orchestrating the "transition" from Mubarak to an interim govt, Egypt will fall quite nicely into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a repetition of Jimmy Carter all over again. We are treated to Obama's rhetoric about "democracy" yet this very rhetoric was missing when the Iranians were rioting in the streets after the so-called election of Achma...d. Obama's brotherhood buddies were not involved in Iran. Obama is showing his true colours.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 5, 2011 12:08:30 GMT -5
The clownish part of Bozama is his half-hearted commitment to democracy. Whether the Egyptians elect an Islamic government or not is not a valid reason to abandon our dedication to principles.
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Post by Turk on Feb 5, 2011 12:41:28 GMT -5
You better be careful JD rational thinking will get ya kicked out of the dark-side.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 5, 2011 13:57:14 GMT -5
www.american.com/archive/2011/february/freedoms-march-egypt-at-the-tipping-point"Sixty percent of Egyptians are less than 30 years old. Unemployment is astronomical, while the elite in the Mubarak government have lived lavish lifestyles. Corruption has long permeated all levels of society. The rule of law is compromised. Elections are shams. The government has been unresponsive to legitimate popular grievances. And the police, known for brutality and torture, have been seen as an arm of Mubarak’s repression. The injustices have gone unaddressed and have festered. Sparked by Tunisia, last week the people spilled into the streets. These protesters were something new. Young and sophisticated with social networking media, they were able to communicate and organize. They were not driven by a leading personality. There was no ideology. It was a body with no head, driven by pent-up rage. Their numbers grew. One young demonstrator said to a television reporter, “They stole our jobs. They stole our dignity. They stole our future. No more. Mubarak must go." Egypt has no Khomeini ready to co-opt the Revolution.
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Post by lou on Feb 5, 2011 17:52:11 GMT -5
But, unfortunately, Egypt has a very well organized and disciplined Muslim Brotherhood. The rhetoric coming from the "youth" is the standard which these radical Islamists use. This group, the Muslim Brotherhood, is a terrorist organization among their accomplishments: the assassination of Anwar Sadat, training the "Blind Cleric" (first bombing attempt of the WTC towers), assisting Osama bin Laden in re-locating his training facility to Afghanistan. If Egypt falls to this group, it is going to be Gaza (Hamas in charge) and Lebanon (Hezbollah in charge) and Israel will, once again, face extermination. And the Egyptian people, ignorance will once again remain supreme, corruption will endure, and "free" elections will continue as they have been. This NEW government will not respond to the grievances of the people, Iran is the shining example of an oligarchy in total control. I believe this will be the fate of Egypt and the nincompoop in the White House will add another failure to his record!
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 6, 2011 4:20:48 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-disappeared-20110205,0,190997.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29 "Egypt's disappeared haunt the collective consciousness; they are an emblem of life in a modern police state. The uprising convulsing the country is in part a reaction to sweeping police powers of three decades running, a key enforcement mechanism of Mubarak's authoritarian rule." "Even in normal times, secret detentions are commonplace, but the maelstrom of protests has heightened that peril. Few expect this government to account for those picked up for challenging it. That is why people like Mohammed Said Ali — the weeping father who came to Tahrir Square on Friday, seeking some word of his son — are paralyzed by terror over the fate of those who have vanished." This is the thug regime some want to save. I don't know of whom you speak that want to save the thug regime, other than the regime itself. Everybody wants Mubarak to step down, allow elections and most want it to grow into a democratic government. What the Egyptians succeed in doing is something we must await. One must remember that Turkey is a "democratic" government, yet it is still quite different that of most of Europe or the U.S. and not as friendly as we would like.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 6, 2011 13:50:47 GMT -5
www.thenation.com/blog/158288/battle-cairo-day-13"9:15 am: Protests continue in Tahrir Square, though slightly smaller than earlier, but a schism of sorts seems to have developed in the opposition. Some representatives of the opposition, including the Muslim Brotherhood, have conducted preliminary talks with Vice President Suleiman. By doing so, they’ve abandoned their core demand that Mubarak resign before they’d discuss any transition. In the square, many protesters stick with that demand, and they’re starting to blame the United States for backing Mubarak." Maybe you guys are right, Bozama is in cahoots with the Islamic Brotherhood, both who seem to be willing to compromise with Mubarak and his toady, Suleiman.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2011 3:18:53 GMT -5
english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html"On January 29, Omar Suleiman, Egypt’s top spy chief, was anointed vice president by tottering dictator, Hosni Mubarak. By appointing Suleiman, part of a shake-up of the cabinet in an attempt to appease the masses of protesters and retain his own grip on the presidency, Mubarak has once again shown his knack for devilish shrewdness. Suleiman has long been favoured by the US government for his ardent anti-Islamism, his willingness to talk and act tough on Iran - and he has long been the CIA’s main man in Cairo. Mubarak knew that Suleiman would command an instant lobby of supporters at Langley and among 'Iran nexters' in Washington - not to mention among other authoritarian mukhabarat-dependent regimes in the region. Suleiman is a favourite of Israel too; he held the Israel dossier and directed Egypt’s efforts to crush Hamas by demolishing the tunnels that have functioned as a smuggling conduit for both weapons and foodstuffs into Gaza."
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 8, 2011 3:39:23 GMT -5
These protesters were something new. Young and sophisticated with social networking media, they were able to communicate and organize. They were not driven by a leading personality. There was no ideology. It was a body with no head, driven by pent-up rage. Their numbers grew. Almost as if one was describing the Tea Party enthusiasts that you chastise.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2011 12:36:28 GMT -5
These protesters were something new. Young and sophisticated with social networking media, they were able to communicate and organize. They were not driven by a leading personality. There was no ideology. It was a body with no head, driven by pent-up rage. Their numbers grew. Almost as if one was describing the Tea Party enthusiasts that you chastise. Except for the young part.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2011 14:44:40 GMT -5
OBAMA SELLS OUT DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-us-egypt-20110208,0,3417025.story "The Obama administration has reconciled itself to gradual political reform in Egypt, an approach that reflects its goal of maintaining stability in the Middle East but is at odds with demands of the protest movement in Cairo that President Hosni Mubarak relinquish power immediately." I can't speak for other people on the left, but for me, if Obama thinks I'll stick by him just because I don't like the GOP either, he has another thing coming.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2011 22:42:42 GMT -5
EGYPT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF MOONIE WEIRDNESS www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/7/editorial-obama-proves-osama-was-right/"One of the most dependable, pro-American members of the Mubarak regime is recently appointed Vice President Omar Suleiman, who since 1993 has been director of the Egyptian General Intelligence Service. Mr. Suleiman has a long-standing relationship with the United States dating back to his training at the U.S. Special Warfare School at Fort Bragg and has worked closely with the CIA on critical issues such as the increasing radicalization of Hamas in Gaza and blunting Iranian influence operations in the region. He holds a dim view of Islamist parties – particularly the Muslim Brotherhood – and wants to keep his country on the path of Westernization and modernization." Wow, what a whitewash of an intelligence agency butcher...
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Post by nikki on Feb 8, 2011 23:06:37 GMT -5
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