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Post by jdredd on Feb 3, 2011 0:14:46 GMT -5
If Obama stabs the pro-Democracy forces in the back by not cutting off aid to Egypt as Mubarak crushes them, I'm done defending Obama. Time for an insurgency in the Democratic Party.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 3, 2011 13:10:07 GMT -5
If Obama stabs the pro-Democracy forces in the back by not cutting off aid to Egypt as Mubarak crushes them, I'm done defending Obama. Time for an insurgency in the Democratic Party. Your premise is inaccurate. The anti-Mubarack rioters are not pro-democracy. They are pro- radical extreme islamic ways. Shariah law, genetic mutilation, etc. Similar to the taliban.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 3, 2011 13:31:40 GMT -5
If Obama stabs the pro-Democracy forces in the back by not cutting off aid to Egypt as Mubarak crushes them, I'm done defending Obama. Time for an insurgency in the Democratic Party. Your premise is inaccurate. The anti-Mubarack rioters are not pro-democracy. They are pro- radical extreme islamic ways. Shariah law, genetic mutilation, etc. Similar to the taliban. Yeah, and all Union members are thugs. Believe what you want, you already do.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 3, 2011 13:50:13 GMT -5
Your premise is inaccurate. The anti-Mubarack rioters are not pro-democracy. They are pro- radical extreme islamic ways. Shariah law, genetic mutilation, etc. Similar to the taliban. Yeah, and all Union members are thugs. Believe what you want, you already do. I do not tend to use the word 'all' - that falls within the purview of the left.
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 3, 2011 19:56:02 GMT -5
If Obama stabs the pro-Democracy forces in the back by not cutting off aid to Egypt as Mubarak crushes them, I'm done defending Obama. Time for an insurgency in the Democratic Party. Your premise is inaccurate. The anti-Mubarack rioters are not pro-democracy. They are pro- radical extreme islamic ways. Shariah law, genetic mutilation, etc. Similar to the taliban. Actually you are both correct. Mubarak's government has been pro-U.S., but has been far from being a pro-democratic government. The protests of change are from pro-democratic groups, as well as, Muslim extremists. Ironically, the Muslim extremists are dancing carefully through this "opportunity" to gain more power without portraying themselves as the brutal people they are. They are trying to "appeal" to the people and work with opposition groups in their effort to gain greater standing and power. In this manner they can move in to take over power without facing another batch of riots. There are a very large number of people who enjoy the Western ways that have been widely accepted in Egypt. Besides, Obama has even mentioned the Muslim Brotherhoods right to be at the negotiations for change giving them external support to slide in through the door. Just the same, we may very well be experiencing a well orchestrated program. Obama is elected, before taking his position, the economy starts taking a dive (world wide), the economy reaches bottom, riots and protests begin in several countries bases upon being pro-democracy, yet Muslim extremists are in the middle pushing it along. Obama is standing back speaking in veiled terms of pro-democracy, yet ALWAYS speaking highly of the Muslim's (after speaking down about the U.S. in his apology tour) giving them recognized support. We have yet to see the final chapters of this program. Will Obama's puppetmaster be successful in creating the change he/they desire? It is only obvious that Obama is going by a script, it closely follows a socialists program. What is interesting is that to create a socialist program one destroys much before building. Only, this time it may not be socialism that is the desired outcome.
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Post by nikki on Feb 3, 2011 23:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on Feb 3, 2011 23:54:23 GMT -5
Sounds like Soros stands in the mushy middle to me.
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 4, 2011 1:22:35 GMT -5
Sounds like Soros stands in the mushy middle to me. The author of that article, even though supported by Soros, was correct in what he wrote. He is correct that there are dangers and no guarantees in the final results if change does take place. Obama has the opportunity to lead the world in helping the outcome be less violent and leading to a real democracy. At this stage, the Muslim Brotherhood is cooperative in achieving the goal of a peaceful change. What happens after that change and the direction politics takes will depend mostly upon the people of Egypt. I don't think the majority have intentions of allowing an extremist Muslim type of leadership. What is also evident from the article is that Soros and others are willing to pour money into the country helping to mold it into a more liberal democratic nation. That could be cause to drive support towards the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Post by animal on Feb 4, 2011 8:41:35 GMT -5
Listening to Savage last nite, a woman from Egypt was telling some unknowns about the Muslim Brotherhood.... she also mentioned polls taken with the Egyptian people and it seems a majority support Sharia law and the Iran-type rule..... also, a large majority are under 30 yrs old, by plan she was saying. Her statement was that men take on multiple wives and pump out kids, as part of the take-over plan they have.
It was interesting.... how true? I wouldnt have a clue about that.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 4, 2011 13:51:27 GMT -5
www.economist.com/node/18065673"Mr Obama has also been careful to say, in public at least, that Egypt’s future is for Egypt, not America, to decide. Yet the Americans wield influence over a regime that depends on them for $1.5 billion a year of aid and almost all its modern weaponry. It is safe to assume that the main job of Frank Wisner, the former ambassador Mr Obama sent to talk to Mr Mubarak, was to give the Egyptian president his marching orders." So Obama plays his two-faced game.
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Post by johng on Feb 4, 2011 15:06:15 GMT -5
I am watching it unfold intently but reserving all reference to "extremist" views or prejudice views in hopes that the Egyptians are more intellectually involved than many give them credit.
Only time and devine guidance will tell...
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Post by dolphie on Feb 4, 2011 15:48:00 GMT -5
I am watching it unfold intently but reserving all reference to "extremist" views or prejudice views in hopes that the Egyptians are more intellectually involved than many give them credit. Only time and devine guidance will tell... wow, one time I am more pessimistic than you! I see more of the Muslim Brotherhood at work here than any peaceful movement. The Brotherhood is at work in so many countries - taking advantage of distress. They follow the Quraysh Model well - tell the people what they want to hear - then go in for the kill. I am sure the males love Shariah Law - what of the children and women? Is it that they are afraid to speak up? Have they been so horribly traumatized? animal - I have heard that said before relative to large families. It has been said of various cultures as size in numbers count. Muburak is correct on one thing - if he is overthrown there will be horrible chaos. It is easy to equate those countries to our way of life - however they are tribal and have been fighting for millenia. Over there it is brute force that will dictate the leader. Brute force and corruption. We can say nice things over here and dream our dreams - however we truly do not comprehend their mentality. We are born and raised in freedom. We know no other way. Not even the UK can comprehend our ingrained ways of freedom - they are baffled by our rights and how fiercely we guard our rights/freedoms. Yet even the UK cannot comprehend a life of slavery that those poor people have lived. They are enslaved by their political religion and have been for so many years it is their way of life. Could they truly survive in freedom? Seriously? Look at Russia and other countries freed from cruel communistic/socialistic ways. Many were lost and unable to survive. Now... just to add to that... look at what is occurring here in the USA. How many here can survive on their own with no money coming in? Can you live off the land? How will you get by? Those people can live off the land - however they do not have the knowledge that THEY can be and do whatever they want to be and do. They are as good as their leaders.
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Post by animal on Feb 4, 2011 21:05:25 GMT -5
Beck had a big map drawn on a blackboard, of all the world laid out. He had different people on, mostly authors and middle east experts.... what they ended up showing was one of the ONLY somewhat non-radical islamic countries right now is Iraq.... the only thing blocking the nuts from Israel ...... now, if Egypt drops, they will be surrounded except from Iraq..... so did the dumbass Bushes know something we dont know? Who knows.
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 5, 2011 3:06:00 GMT -5
Listening to Savage last nite, a woman from Egypt was telling some unknowns about the Muslim Brotherhood.... she also mentioned polls taken with the Egyptian people and it seems a majority support Sharia law and the Iran-type rule..... also, a large majority are under 30 yrs old, by plan she was saying. Her statement was that men take on multiple wives and pump out kids, as part of the take-over plan they have. It was interesting.... how true? I wouldnt have a clue about that. Yes, she is but one voice. Where are the polls she was talking about? Our media hasn't presented any of them. I haven't found them yet either.
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Post by nikki on Feb 5, 2011 11:43:51 GMT -5
Listening to Savage last nite, a woman from Egypt was telling some unknowns about the Muslim Brotherhood.... she also mentioned polls taken with the Egyptian people and it seems a majority support Sharia law and the Iran-type rule..... also, a large majority are under 30 yrs old, by plan she was saying. Her statement was that men take on multiple wives and pump out kids, as part of the take-over plan they have. It was interesting.... how true? I wouldnt have a clue about that. Yes, she is but one voice. Where are the polls she was talking about? Our media hasn't presented any of them. I haven't found them yet either. I think this is the poll that people are referring to. This article gives you the entire poll and also the extract for Egypt. Pew's Global Attitudes Project, 7 Muslim countries, December 2010. Factbox: (extracted) Egyptians want more Islam in politics. blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/02/02/egyptians-want-more-islam-in-politics-according-to-pew-poll/
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