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Post by jdredd on Jun 8, 2010 4:01:50 GMT -5
I'm sure you'd love a board where no one ever disagreed with you. You may eventually get that kind of board, but not right now, sorry. JD, it is not about disagreeing. Once again - for the umpteenth time - different perspectives are good WHEN they are supported factually. The lefties on this board tend to post without real data to support their stances. They merely mimic what another opinion site has to say. That coupled with the non-stop hating gets OLD. I love to learn. I am an observer of human nature and find people fascinating. I enjoy learning different perspectives - not to take on that perspective, instead - to better understand the person and the thought processes. When the person presents with dishonesty and hatred - I do not want to have that decomposition, mildew and stink to be around me. It is disease laden and kills the spirit. Tell me some people here don't hate Unions, liberals, "envirowackos", militant gays, "feminazis" etc, etc. Dishonesty and hatred are in the eye of the beholder... By the way, Helen Thomas is an idiot. I always said we should give the Israelis Nevada if they'd leave Palestine...if I hated Jews why would I want them as neighbors?
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Post by Tired in CV on Jun 13, 2010 23:52:55 GMT -5
I always said we should give the Israelis Nevada if they'd leave Palestine...if I hated Jews why would I want them as neighbors? If you think the Muslims will be contented to get Israel if they all leave, you are greatly mistaken. The war their is not about the land and never really has been. Israel is facing a jihad that is aimed at infadels and the western way of living. While Europe is coming to its knees with their Islamization, Israel has faced the threat and prevented the same thing from happening there. The Israelis are facing their survival. If they lose, it will signal a win against the west. Europe is already changing and doing things to prevent upsetting the Muslims even if it damages relations elsewhere. That is where the real deterioration with relations with Europe was, not because of Bush! Under Obama, you will see further pacification with Europe which may appear to improve relations and he will follow similar pratice regarding Islamization in the U.S. That may pacify some but it will only lead to our ruin. Our younger generation has been "indoctrinated", as a previous post stated, that they are entitled to everything without doing much. They also don't understand when their way of life is being threatened. They have been indoctrinated into thinking "political correctness" even when it goes against the welfare and security of this country. They don't have a clue in recognizing it! Our current leadership surely won't inform them and will do all it can to further the decline. So, say what you will, Israel is a major domino towards the fall of the west and the welcome wagon of Islam! Europe may be to late, Scandinavia is trying to fight it, and Israel is fully engaged. If they can't hang on, you will see that half of the world under Islam. They are already recruiting converts in South America, Mexico and expecially in our prisons. Not to mention those who gain legal entry into the U.S. If Islam was only a religious entity things might be different. But Islam is just as much, maybe even more political than it is religious. This is where it creates divisions within western (and other) governments. They change the government to fit their religious beliefs. They will do this by taking over neighborhoods, block by block and vote in Muslims until they have the whole city. Ironically, we have two cities in the U.S. that this is close to happening. Detroit and the other city I believe is in Missouri or Arkansas. Some say it can't happen here because of our Constitution. Well, it can and those defining the Constitution as a living document are leading the way to allow it to happen! Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
[/i] So, your lets leave Israel to its own defenses and go do our own thing here in the U.S. is nothing more than turning a blind eye to the forces that really have you in its target! Of course, maybe you don't believe it will happen in YOUR lifetime so you could care less. Do you want your children or grandchildren to live under shiria? Would you want your grandaughter(s) abused the way Muslim women under Islam are?
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Post by jdredd on Jun 14, 2010 0:34:07 GMT -5
WOW!! That is one depressing post, Tired. If half of what you say is true, then we might as well just go the full genocide route, and nuke Damascus, Cairo, Tripoli, Tehran, Islamabad, Ankara, Riyadh, and especially Mecca, and get it over with now instead of later. Why wait?
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Post by Tired in CV on Jun 14, 2010 4:06:19 GMT -5
WOW!! That is one depressing post, Tired. If half of what you say is true, then we might as well just go the full genocide route, and nuke Damascus, Cairo, Tripoli, Tehran, Islamabad, Ankara, Riyadh, and especially Mecca, and get it over with now instead of later. Why wait? Are you asleep at the couch? Oh, that's right, they wouldn't dare reveal any of this on television less they irritate Muslims. But it isn't the mainstream Muslims we have to worry about, or so were told, it is the extremists! Well, if only 10% are extremists, we are STILL in deep doo-doo. What percentage is it that is taking control of Europe? Pretty much most, if not all, of them. Even if they are moving out of fear of their leaders, they become part of the problem and their massive numbers works towards the radicals goals. OH, don't expect this to be written in Al Jazeera either! Everybody is to busy being politically correct and afraid to upset someone. If they are being successful in Europe and Scandinavia why do they need to beat Israel? Because Israel is the big stick. Israel isn't rolling over for them like the other countries. They monitor their immigration and don't put up with their Sharia intentions. They won't give up without a fight. That is why they need help from outside. And this is why the Muslims have made a move on Europe to turn them against Israel or Europe will have to fear the Muslims in their streets, as well as, their votes! Yes, they are a very political movement more than religious! Shocking isnt' it! But I somehow think that you don't believe this. You think it is just like the big red scare! Well, that WAS real at the time and was defeated. With the politically correct crowd today, this insurgency will be much more difficult to fight and it will be in our own neighborhoods!
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Post by jdredd on Jun 14, 2010 13:28:20 GMT -5
No mas! No mas! I can't handle the stress. I have enough to worry about if I'm going to get the bills paid next month, let alone worrying about the Islamic takeover of Europe! I do find it amusing that what they couldn't do over a thousand years with a sword they might do just by outreproducing the Europeans. I am reluctant to say any more about Israel, even I am sensitive to being called an anti-Semite. But I'll let you keep an eye on those sneaky Muslims for me, OK?
We could argue about how real the Red Threat was, but it's all ancient history and in the eye of the beholder. All I will say is there was a lot of money made, a lot of careers advanced, and a number of agendas fulfilled because of 40 years of Cold War.
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Post by Turk on Jun 24, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by Tired in CV on Jun 24, 2010 23:31:24 GMT -5
I didn't see Boxer's or Feinstein's signatures!
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Post by Turk on Jun 29, 2010 16:47:03 GMT -5
The only loose cannon I see is "Obama the most radical president in American history." Obama's intention is to "correct the historical mistake of the creation of the state of Israel."
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Post by nikki on Jun 29, 2010 23:34:53 GMT -5
The only loose cannon I see is "Obama the most radical president in American history." Obama's intention is to "correct the historical mistake of the creation of the state of Israel." Great find, Turk. I think this guy is absolutely correct. It is quite amazing to me how correct some of us were about Obama BEFORE he was elected. You just had to be paying attention to his own words (in his books, in particular) and his longtime associations and ignore the mainstream media.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 10, 2010 1:04:56 GMT -5
english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/2010109123438257322.html"I wonder if the "pro-Israel" organisations in the United States have any regrets about their efforts to keep the war going. They call themselves "pro-Israel" and yet the policies they support without deviation invariably lead to more bereaved Israeli families like Uri Grossman's."
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Post by Tired in CV on Oct 10, 2010 1:49:34 GMT -5
english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/2010109123438257322.html"I wonder if the "pro-Israel" organisations in the United States have any regrets about their efforts to keep the war going. They call themselves "pro-Israel" and yet the policies they support without deviation invariably lead to more bereaved Israeli families like Uri Grossman's." I won't criticize your source other than to mention that they are a Muslim newspaper that is discussing Israel. Beyond that, listen, again, to the video Turk just posted as to the Muslims methodology towards Israel, then go back up and read my post from June 13th. Israel could give up that land and it would NOT stop the war. It won't stop until Israel becomes a Muslim nation or the Muslims decide to back off (highly unlikely). Israel understands this, our government on the other hand, still doesn't fully comprehend the Muslim hatred and perseverence and it will likely bite us in the a$$.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 10, 2010 2:36:08 GMT -5
The only loose cannon I see is "Obama the most radical president in American history." Obama's intention is to "correct the historical mistake of the creation of the state of Israel." Richard L. Rubenstein? How old is that guy? I'm supposed to take seriously some ancient Zionist's biases against Obama? Not a chance. And I stick to my reply of June 14.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 10, 2010 3:34:16 GMT -5
By the way, I take anything from Al Jazeera with a huge grain of salt. It's possible they may be the Fox News of the Arab world.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 20, 2010 4:34:54 GMT -5
english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/20101019122641423763.html"The most depressing aspect of the situation is that despite its proven inability to make progress on the Palestinian track, America continues to cling to its monopoly over the peace process. In the aftermath of the June 1967 War, America arrogated to itself a near-monopoly over the diplomacy surrounding the Arab-Israeli conflict. During the Cold War, the main purpose of American diplomacy was to exclude the Soviet Union, the ally of radical Arab states, from the quest for peace in the Middle East. After the end of the Cold war, America continued to marginalise Russia, the European Union, and the United Nations. The UN has the authority as well as a duty to regulate this conflict because it is a threat to international peace and security. But the Americans undermined its efforts and routinely used their veto on the Security Council to defeat resolutions that were critical of Israel." "Obama is an inspiring orator. However, to use an American phrase, he has talked the talk but he has not walked the walk. The rhetoric has changed but in practical terms there has been more continuity than change. Partiality towards Israel remains the order of the day and it vitiates the possibility of a genuinely even-handed policy." "The conclusion is inescapable: Netanyahu is not a genuine partner for the Palestinians on the road to peace. Land-grabbing and peace-making simply do not go together and Netanyahu has opted for the former. Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." "The American position is pusillanimous and feeble. Instead of taking a firm position on the side of the Palestinians and pressing the point of principle, they press the weaker party to make more and more concessions. Under these conditions, the prospects of a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinian Authority are close to zero." Another Obama foreign policy failure.
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Post by Turk on Oct 20, 2010 11:29:34 GMT -5
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