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Post by johng on Jun 20, 2009 13:30:06 GMT -5
I don't know this for fact but I suspect the Iranians who have come to US are sending support home to loved ones as do the Israeli's. The only desire to go back is when the country is free from the tyrants!
We need to watch and listen but stay to hell out of this so the people within the country cleanse their own trash. That is the American Way as it is how we got to be America!
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Post by jdredd on Jun 20, 2009 13:39:35 GMT -5
Well, that is one of the things that aggravated me about Bush Jr's invasion of Iraq: Why couldn't the Iraqis take out their own trash? But that's water under the bridge now...
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Post by johng on Jun 20, 2009 13:44:32 GMT -5
There are thousands of dead Iraqi's who were murdered by Sadam Hussein so I assume the rest didn't have the desire to keep fighting a ruthless mass murderer on their own. We helped rid them of this and now it is up to them to rebuild as they want. We will stay and help until they decide.
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Post by bruce on Jun 20, 2009 13:45:26 GMT -5
No, as far as I know, none want to go back although my "contact" Mrs. Ahmati did go back to visit a few months ago, as have some of the others. Others are too old and frail,remember I live in a 62yrs + building. Mrs. Ahmati is only 58 but her husband is 67, he didn't go. I don't know if they send support as they are mostly from upper middle class backgrounds ( she was an journalist).
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Post by jdredd on Jun 20, 2009 21:36:51 GMT -5
I have to admit, it's always inspiring to me, as an old Berkeleyite, to see anyone take on the police!
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Post by dj on Jun 21, 2009 10:11:54 GMT -5
Without putting too strong a point on it, there was an unspoken strategic plus for getting into Iraq in 2003 which perhaps may be bearing fruit in the near future.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 21, 2009 10:52:05 GMT -5
Gosh, dj, once again I am shocked, shocked that there might have been some strategery in our invasion of Iraq! I was sure it was just to get all those magical disappearing WMD's and a selfless desire to help the poor downtrodden Iraqi people, except of course the ones we had to kill.
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Post by jackoliver on Jun 21, 2009 11:57:48 GMT -5
I tuned into about 20 minutes of Hannity today, his ranting were exactly the opposite from my conversations with Iranians. Hannity is 180 degrees off on this one, but I suspect Hannity will do and say anything to make Obama look bad. My friend’s cousin said he will call me from Tehran early in the morning if he does not object I will record the conversation and make a youtube vid to post here. 100% correct regarding Hannity, Rush, Beck, Savage et al. I've been saying this here since January. Ive been saying this since my very first blog. Right Wing Extreamist Talk Radio has one goal only. To smear, attack and criticize any democrat every day and all day, even at the expense of country unity and progress.
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Post by jackoliver on Jun 21, 2009 12:56:12 GMT -5
Im giving President Obama credit for reaching out to the middle east during his last trip and extending a hand of future friendship and trust to the rational muslim world.
This probably gave hope to those in Iran during this past election.
President Obama is also doing the wise thing by staying out of the current events in Iran as opposed to the GOP cry for US meddling in another's countries affairs. When is the GOP going to learn, nation building only spreads more bad feelings towards the USA.
Thank God the GOP lost,,,who knows what more damage they would do in the middle east and around the world.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 21, 2009 15:04:23 GMT -5
SO ten people are killed in the streets of Tehran and it's revolution and the government in peril according to the US media...meanwhile 72 Iraqis are killed in the streets of Kirkuk but it's just another day in Iraq after our glorious victory there, nothing to worry about...
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Post by bruce on Jun 22, 2009 7:02:22 GMT -5
Two things
intervening in some way is like cops going to a domestic dispute, both sides would be against it
Mousavi is not a breath of fresh air; he was ok'd by the clerics and would carry on their nuclear policy; he's just perhaps not crazy and as combative
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Post by CM on Jun 22, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -5
Mousavi is not a breath of fresh air; he was ok'd by the clerics and would carry on their nuclear policy; he's just perhaps not crazy and as combative My thoughts exactly, the nuclear goal would not change, the perception of a sane president would.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jun 22, 2009 11:59:23 GMT -5
Cracks In The Wall,
Any movement away from hard line fundamentalism would have to be considered in our interest. If the movement is brought about by the collective dissonance of the masses it holds even greater opportunity. Regime change can be accomplished in any number of ways. I think the passing of the torch from the generation that took US hostages to the generation that wants a better relationship with the west is long overdue. This may yet turn out to be a significant event (a game changing moment) akin to the mellowing of Khadaffy. The less we do right now the better chance we have of not blowing it.
I find it more than a little ironical (I know that is not a real word) that "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," McCain is complaining the administration is not doing enough. I guess his underlying message was that we should use "smart" bombs that only kill the hard-liners. Do you think he has aged past the point where he would catch how hypocritical he appears?
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Post by jackoliver on Jun 22, 2009 12:11:04 GMT -5
good point about McCain.
I think he comes from the old GOP hardline of no diplomacy and bomb them all and let God sort them out. Thank god he did not get elected. He and Palin would have caused even more ruin of America's standing and trust in the world. 8 years of such policies through Bush/Cheney is enough.
America has taken back control of our country.
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Post by johng on Jun 22, 2009 12:52:33 GMT -5
good point about McCain. I think he comes from the old GOP hardline of no diplomacy and bomb them all and let God sort them out. Thank god he did not get elected. He and Palin would have caused even more ruin of America's standing and trust in the world. 8 years of such policies through Bush/Cheney is enough. America has taken back control of our country. America has "lost control" within country but foreign policy has gained ground. Unfortunately domestic policy has been handed over to the Far Left vs the Far Right but damage domestically is certain. More and more are waking up to this now and it is a "fast track" timeline Obama and the far left are on to get their most valued items pushed upon America before the brakes are applied!
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