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Post by jdredd on Jun 16, 2009 22:55:33 GMT -5
How come the Iranians may be getting their second revolution in 30 years, when we haven't had one in 233 years? How come they get all the fun?
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Post by Tired in CV on Jun 16, 2009 23:41:57 GMT -5
How come the Iranians may be getting their second revolution in 30 years, when we haven't had one in 233 years? How come they get all the fun? I suppose our founding fathers did an outstanding job with our Constitution, inspite of our recent Presidents and Congresses! Yet, there are those looking to dismantle portions of it a little at a time to the disservice to this country.
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Post by CM on Jun 17, 2009 0:24:25 GMT -5
I’m truly fascinated by the actions of the youth in Iran. We are friends with two Iranian couples I’m anxious for the weekend when I can speak with them.
A funny story, we had a party at our farm last year and there were maybe 8 Iranians attending, one guy received call after call from a friend in Iran, for months later every time our phone rang an obvious click could be heard, I felt proud the Patriot Act singled me out, my wife and I had a lot of fun with it. I think they figured out sex talk was not a security risk and gave up on us.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 17, 2009 16:34:14 GMT -5
This ain't calming down any time soon, sports fans. Obama could be playing it right, too. Click the headline for more. I believe our friends at Stratfor predicted something like this a short few years ago.
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Post by nikki on Jun 17, 2009 17:18:29 GMT -5
Well, I am not ready to give credit to the politicians. Time will tell. Right now, I am in awe of the Iranian people and their willingness to take to the streets and "twitter" against the crackdown.
Gives me even greater pause about our government creating yet another "czar" -- the cyber-space czar -- under the guise of suddenly caring about our stolen identities.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 17, 2009 17:34:04 GMT -5
Nikki, I am with you about being too ready to give any politician any credit too soon.
With Obama, he appears to be playing Bush's policy of hands off- at least overtly. When Ahmedijindindin was going off the deep end on Israel and playing the world about nukes, that was the time to hammer him down.
What is happening in Iran relative to the election is an internal thing. We'd best leave it that way for the time being.
Ahmeddiddydumdum has been the ideal puppet for the clerics 99% of the time over the last few years. But, the economy of Iran has been affecting their status there. Most Iranian voters want to blame the secular leader, but, know well that it comes from the real seat of power- the clerics.
Except for a little jib and jab, I think we ought to let it play out. Maybe, just maybe, the end of the wacko regime may be not far off.
If that happens, who knows? Maybe Ahmedinnydoodoo may just be looking for an island paradise to write his memoirs. Bermuda seems to be a good place, don't you think? He could shout out "Zee plane, zee plane" every time a new plane load of uighurs fly overhead on final.
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Post by nikki on Jun 17, 2009 17:47:59 GMT -5
Hatch,
LOL about Akmadinidoo and the clerics. I agree. This has been going on for so long now that we should just see how it plays out in the short. But I did hear today that Iran has called in one of its proxies Hamas to further terrorize its people.
My heart is with the Iranian people.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 17, 2009 18:00:38 GMT -5
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My heart is with the Iranian people. Ditto! This thing with Hamas has such funny timing, what with Goober Carter kissing their afterburners just yesterday. ;D
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 17, 2009 18:07:37 GMT -5
And speaking of the Goob, the Boob ain't exactly getting any help from him!
See- sometimes it's just best to hang back, sit down and shut up.
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Post by Rocket on Jun 17, 2009 19:51:22 GMT -5
An opportunity to support democracy in Iran, but the King w/o balls does nothing.
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Post by johng on Jun 17, 2009 19:53:08 GMT -5
It is very fitting that Carter be given the finger and he is involved while the jerks that ran the Shaw out get the boot...HOPEFULLY! That was 1979 if I recall it right?
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Post by johng on Jun 17, 2009 20:28:36 GMT -5
February 11, 1979 KookManii over throws Shah of Iran. November 1979 took American Hostages which Carter totally blotched recue efforts April 1980 (I was on active duty at the time and delivered the teletype message to the Skipper). January 20, 1981 - 444 days later Ronald Reagan sworn in and hostages come home. Carter, Obama and Hamas Trio can't be promising.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 17, 2009 21:29:28 GMT -5
An opportunity to support democracy in Iran, but the King w/o balls does nothing. I'm glad Elvis is using his brain and NOT that lower part of his anatomy.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 18, 2009 8:09:52 GMT -5
Rocket, the people of Iran are somewhat of a special case. They are not like Poland where overt and constant support from an American President helped to inspire the people, provide steam to Solidarnosz and Lech Walensa. Remember Reagan's Christmas message to the Polish people? That was heard around the world and even gave comfort to Czechs and other oppressed peoples in the same chains as were the Polish.
Obama can't do the same in this case, or, at least, not with the same kind of constant and obvious pressure. Many Iranians want a friendlier relationship with the US, but, they want us to mind our own business while they sort things out on their own.
I think it was Larrry that pointed this out a couple of years ago. From everything I've read since then, it is turning out to be spot on. Things may change. There may be factions that may ask for our help. We'll see.
If that happens, it will be interesting to see what Obama does... then.
Now, what would be even more interesting is to see if any factional Iraqi support comes into play.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 18, 2009 12:25:37 GMT -5
Rocket, the people of Iran are somewhat of a special case. They are not like Poland where overt and constant support from an American President helped to inspire the people, provide steam to Solidarnosz and Lech Walensa. Remember Reagan's Christmas message to the Polish people? That was heard around the world and even gave comfort to Czechs and other oppressed peoples in the same chains as were the Polish. Obama can't do the same in this case, or, at least, not with the same kind of constant and obvious pressure. Many Iranians want a friendlier relationship with the US, but, they want us to mind our own business while they sort things out on their own. I think it was Larrry that pointed this out a couple of years ago. From everything I've read since then, it is turning out to be spot on. Things may change. There may be factions that may ask for our help. We'll see. If that happens, it will be interesting to see what Obama does... then. Now, what would be even more interesting is to see if any factional Iraqi support comes into play. Great post, hatch...
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