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Post by jdredd on May 31, 2009 12:55:36 GMT -5
I think it's more like the boss is behind the wheel of a stalled car, and the union members are pushing it uphill since that's where he steered it, and he is fumbling with a map and calling his bookie on the phone instead of engaging the clutch he's forgotten the location of...while yelling at the pushers to push harder.
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Post by jackoliver on May 31, 2009 12:58:57 GMT -5
You already have laws & regulations to follow, Yes, we have laws and regulations becaus of UNIONS!!!!! the free market NEVER takes care of it's employees until forced to. It is not their best interest...it eats up their greedy profits.
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Post by johng on Jun 2, 2009 21:12:21 GMT -5
JD & JO,
How many businesses have you guys ran? How successful have you been at the "Risk and Reward" process of business?
Just curious if you have ever had the courage to lay all your livlihood on the line to make a business work rather than follow the union dole to the pay desk?
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Post by CM on Jun 2, 2009 21:18:08 GMT -5
JD & JO, How many businesses have you guys ran? How successful have you been at the "Risk and Reward" process of business? Just curious if you have ever had the courage to lay all your livlihood on the line to make a business work rather than follow the union dole to the pay desk? Been there done that, unions do not work for the little guy, unions are for the big guy like GM opps did not work there either, ummmmm.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 2, 2009 22:10:20 GMT -5
Yep, you can see all the unity here, jg, as union members are slandered over and over...
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Post by johng on Jun 3, 2009 19:06:23 GMT -5
Comrade JD,
I have never slandered a union member but I am all over the Union Bosses and their shady politics! Unfortunately the members are employees being abused by the bosses and not the business!
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Post by jdredd on Jun 3, 2009 21:26:40 GMT -5
Union bosses, unlike company execs, are elected by the members. And as in all democracy, sometimes there are dirty dealings, but I'll take it over leaving it all in the hands of company dictators.
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Post by bruce on Jun 4, 2009 8:33:01 GMT -5
Most of my adult life I was a union member, and I don't regret it one bit. The union kept mamagement, both local and corporate, under control. There was a big hassle with the City of Inglewood, who didn't think we should get overtime for "sitting around". The union argued successfully that we were on duty at the beck and call of the dispatcher, and the time "sitting around" was not our own time. That's called protecting the workers from managerial abuse. Without the union, it would have taken years to settle it.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 4, 2009 9:13:53 GMT -5
JD & JO,
How many businesses have you guys ran? How successful have you been at the "Risk and Reward" process of business?
Just curious if you have ever had the courage to lay all your livlihood on the line to make a business work... JohnG, your good question remains unanswered.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 4, 2009 11:39:36 GMT -5
JD & JO,
How many businesses have you guys ran? How successful have you been at the "Risk and Reward" process of business?
Just curious if you have ever had the courage to lay all your livlihood on the line to make a business work... JohnG, your good question remains unanswered. That's all very nice and well, I'm glad you've alll had the opportunity to be a small business owner. I'm just not sure what that has to do with the problems of labor in the industrialized state. I'm sure running your own business gives you a certain attitude, but to expect that attitude to be universal is wishful thinking. As long as there are masters and servants, we will have different perspectives.
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Post by jackoliver on Jun 4, 2009 13:49:16 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of the question is.
Unions protect employees for employers who have exploited employees in the past. 8 hour work day, overtime, minimum wage, safe work environment, etc....
all of these laws have been founded by unions. Without them, who thinks companies would do these things on their own,,,NOT I.
I have worked for small mom and pop shops as well as large corporations. So what.
what about those that hire illegals, what protection do they have? none. they are here illegaly so no one cares about their working conditions.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 4, 2009 15:03:08 GMT -5
The point of the question is what I said in my first post, which is that I've heard numerous people over the last few years claim that Unions had outlived their usefulness, and I wanted some feedback from our illustrious friends here on this board.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jun 4, 2009 17:25:23 GMT -5
... what about those that hire illegals, what protection do they have? none. they are here illegally so no one cares about their working conditions. Technically, the state of California cares. An employer is required to provide the same safe conditions as eligible workers. Those that don't face the same penalties as with legal employees. To both you and Jdred, I understand that you may never had the responsibilities with business ownership or management. It is difficult to know something you don't know. But, most of us worked our way up from the bottom. Many of us know what the "servant" side of things is like. That is why many employers try to treat their employees well and provide safe working conditions. I have scars from the days I worked at Douglas Aircraft and later. The bosses then cared, too, but, accidents happen anyhows. But, we had great picnics and BBQ's. I can afford pizza and tamales from time to time, too.
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Post by johng on Jun 4, 2009 19:10:39 GMT -5
Employer Abuse is just as abusive when it is the owner as when it comes from the Union employer. What JD and JO fail to accept is that the Union is the "Employer" and works from one side of the business equation only. They skim the money for themselves and pad their pockets on the hard work produced by the rank in file!
The steady decline in union membership is a direct result of the 'internal Abuse and State-Federal Laws" that make the Union obsolete. The current administration is hell bent and bound to change this and increase Union membership everywhere possible. Do you honestly believe this is for the "life improvement" of the people or to increase the political war chest with Union contributions to Democratic campaigns?
As I said before it is necessary for the administration to increase the union coffer as well as Shove Universal Healthcare down our throats so they can relieve the UAW of the legacy cost for benefits that drove Chrysler and GM to bankruptcy!
No matter how you look at it, the union has less valuable position and the People of The United States lose in much bigger matters!
Unions refuse looking at all sides of a business equation and solving the fiscal problems issues in a timely manner and the auto industry, like the Steel Industry are prime examples.
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Post by johng on Jun 4, 2009 19:16:14 GMT -5
Unions can not protect "Illegal Workers" but the State of California can and does. They do have something in common however, the both need to be gone.
Give the dispatcher the home phone number of the on call employees and send them home, overtime pay from the tax payers is not necessary to conduct such activity.
Much of the work performed by "Union City and County Employees" should be done by the Welfare recepients who are being paid for doing nothing. I feel the same for those on unemployment benefits which could backfil much of the routine work being done at much higher expense.
I realize I am a loonatic and I appreciate you allowing me the santity of this padded room...
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