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Post by johng on Sept 29, 2009 17:06:35 GMT -5
How do you explain this?www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/29/chicago.teen.profile/#cnnSTCVideoWARNING the video is violent. Oddly it is in Obama Town USA.The storyDerrion Albert was different from the other boys in the often violent and tense neighborhood of Roseland in South Side Chicago. "He had a different attitude. And I'm not saying he was perfect, but when you ask him to turn his hat to the back or take it off, he wouldn't put it on the back or hang it off his head or say to you, like the other boys do, 'F**k that!' He would just do what you asked," Ameena Matthews said. Matthews works with Cease Fire, a Chicago, Illinois, grassroots organization founded in 1995 to try to curb gang violence. She grew up in the neighborhood that has drawn national attention since a video captured Albert, a 16-year-old honor student, being beaten to death with a railway tie, kicked and punched by other teens. I'm a bit disappointed that you would use a tragedy to make a political point, and then adding that it occurred in "Obamatown". I'm not sure why you brought this up. The thugs that did this need to be given the most severe penalty possible. The kid was an honor roll student and refused to join a gang. Follow me here ol buddy. I brought it up for all the reasons you stated and more! If Obama and Holder expect to LEAD this country they must cease immediately with the Race Baiting and maybe they should go back to where they got their "Humble Beginning" and straighten out the youth in the home town before taking on the reindoctrination of our youth nation wide! It is a REAL Tragedy and my heart goes out to his family and the community but I can't separate the politics of Obama and this story so close to home. You see my mind trends to believe the people Obama is most seeking to help are the ones still living after this horrible incident and I fear that more than you can ever know. Its not all political but more humanitarian as I don't really see much of his effort and "organizing" aimed at the young man who was an honor roll student and seemingly good person. Please help me get over my fears and thoughts by lending me some of your "insight" into how wrong I am with all of this. Seriously.
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Post by bruce on Sept 29, 2009 17:08:25 GMT -5
The bus fight was 2 on 1, not as first reported as a "mob", and it was over a seat. Back to my question tho... what if it was 2 whites beating on a black kid over a seat? Or a gay kid? Or a mexican kid? Oh ya.. I aint a republican, by the way. Were they fighting him because he was white or because he moved one of the kids' backpacks off of a seat he wanted? Granted it was somewhat cowardly for two to beat on one, but the question is- why did the right make this a national story and why did Limbaugh claim it was an example of "Obama's America?".
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 17:09:21 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Bruce!
Who wouldn't be a little more sentimental, a little more concerned and even a little more biased when children are a part of the picture. Women tend to have that kind of instinct in them. So do reasonable people.
If we are going to pick apart every little uttered tidbit to try and extract mega-gotcha's every chance we get, there is no reason for dialog. We may as well just bring out the guns and start shooting.
BTW, how is your aiming eye?
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Post by bruce on Sept 29, 2009 17:19:41 GMT -5
I'm a bit disappointed that you would use a tragedy to make a political point, and then adding that it occurred in "Obamatown". I'm not sure why you brought this up. The thugs that did this need to be given the most severe penalty possible. The kid was an honor roll student and refused to join a gang. Follow me here ol buddy. I brought it up for all the reasons you stated and more! If Obama and Holder expect to LEAD this country they must cease immediately with the Race Baiting and maybe they should go back to where they got their "Humble Beginning" and straighten out the youth in the home town before taking on the reindoctrination of our youth nation wide! It is a REAL Tragedy and my heart goes out to his family and the community but I can't separate the politics of Obama and this story so close to home. You see my mind trends to believe the people Obama is most seeking to help are the ones still living after this horrible incident and I fear that more than you can ever know. Its not all political but more humanitarian as I don't really see much of his effort and "organizing" aimed at the young man who was an honor roll student and seemingly good person. Please help me get over my fears and thoughts by lending me some of your "insight" into how wrong I am with all of this. Seriously. To expect Obama or Holden to "straighten out" these gang members of anything is incredibly naive. Did anyone expect Bush to go to Texas and "chew out" the guys that dragged a man to death? This type of thinbg has been happening since before Obama was born and, unfortunately, will occur long after everyone on this site is six feet under. There is no connection between the president and these thugs. Again, no one has given an example of racism or race baiting by Obama.
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Post by bruce on Sept 29, 2009 17:20:50 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Bruce! Who wouldn't be a little more sentimental, a little more concerned and even a little more biased when children are a part of the picture. Women tend to have that kind of instinct in them. So do reasonable people. If we are going to pick apart every little uttered tidbit to try and extract mega-gotcha's every chance we get, there is no reason for dialog. We may as well just bring out the guns and start shooting. BTW, how is your aiming eye? I don't have a gun, never had and never will, so I guess I'd lose.
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Post by bruce on Sept 29, 2009 17:25:17 GMT -5
Obama and Holder are racists? Any proof? If the president did not have two daughters, would it be acceptable to assassinate him? As soon as Obama became a serious candidate, before anybody outside Illinois knew anything about him except his race, he began receiving more death threats than all the other candidates in the primaries, Republican and Democrat, combined. What was that about? No bruce.... I love to see people murdered. I am just that kind of person. Get over your chip on the shoulder racist self. They are racist, it has been shown on multiple threads and as far as a dislike of him - any Pres that tries to destroy this country will most definitely receive negative attention from the masses. Your head is in the ground and your blinders are permanently in place. You will not see the truth as you are too busy talking to yourself about how dem dar whities are all out a huntin' dat black man in de office. You forget who voted him into office and why he was voted in. He also has forgotten who voted him into office and has truly forgotten the pretend platform he ran on. And let's quit the personal attacks. And the threats began long before he was "destroying the country". Since he is "destroying the country", are you implying that ok's the threats?
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 17:26:21 GMT -5
I have one and two good eyes. The problem is my hands shake. I'd probably lose, too, without you even firing a shot!
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Post by johng on Sept 29, 2009 17:28:46 GMT -5
Follow me here ol buddy. I brought it up for all the reasons you stated and more! If Obama and Holder expect to LEAD this country they must cease immediately with the Race Baiting and maybe they should go back to where they got their "Humble Beginning" and straighten out the youth in the home town before taking on the reindoctrination of our youth nation wide! It is a REAL Tragedy and my heart goes out to his family and the community but I can't separate the politics of Obama and this story so close to home. You see my mind trends to believe the people Obama is most seeking to help are the ones still living after this horrible incident and I fear that more than you can ever know. Its not all political but more humanitarian as I don't really see much of his effort and "organizing" aimed at the young man who was an honor roll student and seemingly good person. Please help me get over my fears and thoughts by lending me some of your "insight" into how wrong I am with all of this. Seriously. To expect Obama or Holden to "straighten out" these gang members of anything is incredibly naive. Did anyone expect Bush to go to Texas and "chew out" the guys that dragged a man to death? This type of thinbg has been happening since before Obama was born and, unfortunately, will occur long after everyone on this site is six feet under. There is no connection between the president and these thugs. Again, no one has given an example of racism or race baiting by Obama. Bruce, I heard the man with my own ears say _ HOPE and CHANGE we can BELIEVE in! I also heard him tell a convention hall full of young people in Minnesota 2 weeks ago - Is this The Country You Want It To Be? - I am unaware of the Texas death you refer but hell yes BUSH should have made certain his minions got after that and prosecuted. Now Obama could do the same thing and focus on "HOPE" for these folks in his home town by redirecting himself to Real Change that means something. Especially if you are going to tell me it has been going on since before Obama was born - He got his Political Clout from the good folks in Illinois so it is time he get his ass over there and provide some HOPE and CHANGE! Take some of that otherwise useless Stimulus Money sitting committees in DC and send Holder's ass to Chicago to get some serious change going for these "innocent" families that live in fear of this crap! I can't waste my time defending the man if he is going to ignore his backyard while executing the world!
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Post by dolphie on Sept 29, 2009 17:38:31 GMT -5
No bruce.... I love to see people murdered. I am just that kind of person. Get over your chip on the shoulder racist self. They are racist, it has been shown on multiple threads and as far as a dislike of him - any Pres that tries to destroy this country will most definitely receive negative attention from the masses. Your head is in the ground and your blinders are permanently in place. You will not see the truth as you are too busy talking to yourself about how dem dar whities are all out a huntin' dat black man in de office. You forget who voted him into office and why he was voted in. He also has forgotten who voted him into office and has truly forgotten the pretend platform he ran on. Yolu made a foolish statement that the President shouldn't be killed, you didn't want the girls without a father, as if that was why you didn;'t want him killed. Very telling and, of course, no answer. And no real examples of the racism of Obama and Holden other than the vague " statements" they allegedly made. Oh well, nothing new. And your attempt at black dialect was straight out of the 1940's. Pretty pathetic. I think you are a pretty hateful person, bruce. You take every comment and twist it into something that was not intended. To do such a deed means the insides of you must be pretty ugly and twisted. It was not an attempt at 1940's black dialog... once again Ostrich-in-the-sand-man ... many _backwards_ thinking folks talked the same. Once again... toss the racist bit and realize it falls on uncertain ground.
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Post by dolphie on Sept 29, 2009 17:44:27 GMT -5
To expect Obama or Holden to "straighten out" these gang members of anything is incredibly naive. Did anyone expect Bush to go to Texas and "chew out" the guys that dragged a man to death? This type of thinbg has been happening since before Obama was born and, unfortunately, will occur long after everyone on this site is six feet under. There is no connection between the president and these thugs. Again, no one has given an example of racism or race baiting by Obama. Bruce, I heard the man with my own ears say _ HOPE and CHANGE we can BELIEVE in! I also heard him tell a convention hall full of young people in Minnesota 2 weeks ago - Is this The Country You Want It To Be? - I am unaware of the Texas death you refer but hell yes BUSH should have made certain his minions got after that and prosecuted. Now Obama could do the same thing and focus on "HOPE" for these folks in his home town by redirecting himself to Real Change that means something. Especially if you are going to tell me it has been going on since before Obama was born - He got his Political Clout from the good folks in Illinois so it is time he get his ass over there and provide some HOPE and CHANGE! Take some of that otherwise useless Stimulus Money sitting committees in DC and send Holder's ass to Chicago to get some serious change going for these "innocent" families that live in fear of this crap! I can't waste my time defending the man if he is going to ignore his backyard while executing the world! Unfortunately, it is not about the inner city or the impoverished. It is about achieving and maintaining power. If those people really, truly, honestly cared about their people (and that goes for blacks, Natives, browns as much as anyone) they would work on the self-esteem of their cultures and not the other way around. To state there must be different standards held for black, brown, native americans is placing a limit on them from the very beginning. To say they are unable to achieve what the horrible white man has achieved is saying they are lesser individuals.
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Post by dolphie on Sept 29, 2009 17:46:20 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Bruce! Who wouldn't be a little more sentimental, a little more concerned and even a little more biased when children are a part of the picture. Women tend to have that kind of instinct in them. So do reasonable people. If we are going to pick apart every little uttered tidbit to try and extract mega-gotcha's every chance we get, there is no reason for dialog. We may as well just bring out the guns and start shooting. BTW, how is your aiming eye? EH, I appreciate you trying to explain to him - but he has such an intense chip on his shoulder and such a racist attitude towards those non-black that it is not worth trying to help him see. He will twist it back into racism. It is his defining mantra.
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Post by jackoliver on Sept 29, 2009 17:50:18 GMT -5
Yolu made a foolish statement that the President shouldn't be killed, you didn't want the girls without a father, as if that was why you didn;'t want him killed. Very telling and, of course, no answer. And no real examples of the racism of Obama and Holden other than the vague " statements" they allegedly made. Oh well, nothing new. And your attempt at black dialect was straight out of the 1940's. Pretty pathetic. I think you are a pretty hateful person, bruce. You take every comment and twist it into something that was not intended. To do such a deed means the insides of you must be pretty ugly and twisted. It was not an attempt at 1940's black dialog... once again Ostrich-in-the-sand-man ... many _backwards_ thinking folks talked the same. Once again... toss the racist bit and realize it falls on uncertain ground. Dolphie, your constant personal attacks on Bruce can be interpreted as YOU being the hateful person. every attack you do to Bruce and Jdredd is PROOF of your heart. that is my observation of your posts.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 18:14:55 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, all kidding aside. You know I love you, man! You know I look out for you. I am begging you, BEGGING!
Fix your friggn sig line! It's SPEECH! Not SPEACH!
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Post by dolphie on Sept 29, 2009 18:24:57 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, all kidding aside. You know I love you, man! You know I look out for you. I am begging you, BEGGING! Fix your friggn sig line! It's SPEECH! Not SPEACH! EH, He may want God to Bless Free S Peaches ..... That may be his fruit of choice.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 18:29:58 GMT -5
He's into fruits?
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