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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2009 17:17:35 GMT -5
John Coleman is a highly respected meteorologist and one of the founders of The Weather Channel. This is a recent article he placed on the KUSI website titled: " The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam" www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.htmlExcerpts: "The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax we citizens for our carbon footprints." "Only two details stand in the way, the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate. The last two bitter winters have led tthe public to be skeptical that any runaway global warning. There is now awareness that there may be reason to question whether CO2 is a pollutant and a significant greenhouse gas." "How did we ever get to this point where bad science is driving big government? And how will we ever stop it?" I'm not quite sure which side to back in this debate since there are so many counter arguments. What do you think?
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 30, 2009 17:29:55 GMT -5
Jack, I understand about not knowing which side to be on this one. It seems that it is more about "My Scientist Is Smarter than Your Scientist" than it is about the facts to some people. I am beginning to think that My Scientist is smarter than Al Gore's Scientist.
I think that not only is Global Warming scam, it is a fear tactic used on the left that even those on the left that are "in the know" is false. It has worked well politically and has put hundreds of billions of dollars in greedy pockets. Let us not forget how carbon banking has helped pay for operating costs of a fine private business jet used by the champion of the cause. That and speeches for whopping fees.
From Hatch in beauuuuuuuutiful Escondido.
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Post by lou on Jan 30, 2009 18:33:15 GMT -5
How can anyone trust anything coming from Al Gore? Isn't he the one who invented the internet as well? As stated, the last 2 winters have been the coldest, yet the din still goes on about the "warming!" There was an item in the UT a couple days ago about "old forest" barometers being used now as measures of global warming. Unfortunately the old forest used as the barometer was found to be in the same air corridor as that awful AZ fire, so of course there was "warming" damage.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 30, 2009 19:31:42 GMT -5
Lou, I have corrected you on the Al Gore and the internet piece well over a dozen times now. Al Gore was personally responsible for securing the funding for Arpanet over a twelve year period. Arpanet became the internet. Perhaps keeping arpanet going was not as big deal as McCains invention of the Blackberry but it is significant and it is real. The same is true for habitat change as a result of global temperature change. We are already discussing how your guy has burdened future generations with debt with nothing to show. He was no kinder to future generations regarding the environment. You sound like the me generation meets the boomer generation. Have you forgotten your fathers generation so fast. We are not the owners of the land silly we are the caretakers.
Jack, For the record Coleman got his degree in Journalism and is more famous for his happy news format than his understanding of environmental science. He helped start the weather channel and was CEO for a year before he was forced out. If this is a spinoff thread to the RR critique of Obamas environmental concerns I think we both know there is more to it than that. Carbon monoxide and sulfur dioxide levels show direct and positive correlation to a number of health concerns (reducing medical costs by prevention) and more fuel efficient vehicles reduce our dependence on foreign suppliers.
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Post by bruce on Jan 30, 2009 19:56:00 GMT -5
Good work tpfkalarry-I get tired also of these yahoos and their "Al Gore said ne invented the internet".He never said that,he helped make it possible.And this "divine O" nonsense just twells me where Lou's head is.Probably one of those who want Obama to fail.Too much listening to Rush,Rick,Savage,Hannity.You need to get a dose of sanity and reality.
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Post by CM on Jan 30, 2009 20:46:17 GMT -5
Lou, IF there is a founder fo the internet it would be Vint Cerf in late 60’s, however Cerf may have only proven the concept that birthed in the late 50’s. The crudest form is reduced to packet switching, consisting of a header (address, record layout), a record (data,) and a trailer (end of record.) It is the header and trailer that makes the internet. The idea (early 50’s) came from watching telephone operators manually switch wires of communication, Al Gore may have been in diapers.
As recent as 1973 Time Magazine echoed scientist from around the world warning the Ice Age Cometh. Have we experienced warming since? Yes, 1998 was the warmest ever recorded, since then we have been cooling rapidly, one word, cyclic.
Coleman is, who he is, but if I were to trust, it would not be Al Gore. Al Gore - global warming: perhaps we can blame in on the hot air Al Gore has been spewing.
The question is, why is the left shoving global warming down our throats? Don’t get me wrong I do more than most preserving the environment, but I think we are being duped.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 20:46:52 GMT -5
Come on Jack...you grew up in Chicago and you know John Coleman was laughed at as a weatherman. Every significant low pressure in the winter he blew up into the next blizzard. He had to flee to San Diego with hsi fortune....which he inherited.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 20:52:22 GMT -5
Its a wonder that we hear the same old stale things. Who is profitting from global warming among the world's scientists? It is the world community that is crying about the warming issues and who is fighting it?? Exxon Mobil- who pays for ads to belittle it. The same Exxon Mobil who is one of the few large companies in the world to record a record profit as of today. So lets not try and fool those of us on this blog who already know the true story. This earth needs help not more destruction. We saw in the economic world where deregulation got us, and allowing big business to monitor itself. Where do you think we'll get letting Big Energy monitor our earth? Think long and hard about which way they will decide.....the almighty dollar or the earth???
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 20:56:12 GMT -5
CM- prove what Al Gore is saying is bunk? The world community believes it and only the US, China and India are rejecting global warming. Why? ? Because it would hit the bottom line of Consevative backed Oil Companies. It doesn't matter anyways, Obama and the Democratic Congress were given the green light by America through the power of the vote to fix it. And so we shall. Green Power!!!! Green Energy!!!
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2009 20:57:04 GMT -5
Come on Jack...you grew up in Chicago and you know John Coleman was laughed at as a weatherman. Every significant low pressure in the winter he blew up into the next blizzard. He had to flee to San Diego with hsi fortune....which he inherited. VOR, I can't remember the name of the other Chicago weatherman that I used to watch, but I do recall that the Lake Effect gave them forecasting fits. I lived 30 miles West of Chicago and the predictions were nothing more than looking to see what was going on further West. The story I heard was that Coleman no longer fit the diversity image at the news station. It was a long time ago and I've probably got a little selective memory.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 21:02:56 GMT -5
Conservatives think that Global Warming means that when cold weather comes that proves Global Warming doesn't exist.......LOL. They need to go back to school. It doesn't mean that at all. Global Warming doesn't mean the end of cold temps and the end of winter. Why do you think its a Conservative verus the Left feud? Big Money Enegy (Republican backed) because to accomplish this will cost Energy profits and less CEO bonuses verses the Lefts backing of Science, another hated Conservative thing. Thats where the joining of the Religious Right comes in. Prove Global Warming as a fantasy you can also say that since science is inaccuate in Global Warming, surely Stem Cell Research is wrong.- They work hand in hand together in the Conservative framework. But the world knows best and Conservative America just wants to prevent the bottom line of its main benefactor from being affected.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 21:07:09 GMT -5
Yes, I lived in the lake effect area of the North Shore, but Coleman never got it right. I lived three doors from Harry Volkman. You remember him and he would always talk about what a crazy person Coleman was.
PJ Hoff, used to draw cartoons when I was very young. Today on WGN they have the best weather person in the nation Tom Skilling. Coleman has ALWAYS let his conservative and Republican bias cloud his judgment.
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Post by CM on Jan 30, 2009 21:14:21 GMT -5
CM- prove what Al Gore is saying is bunk? The world community believes it and only the US, China and India are rejecting global warming. Why? ? Because it would hit the bottom line of Consevative backed Oil Companies. It doesn't matter anyways, Obama and the Democratic Congress were given the green light by America through the power of the vote to fix it. And so we shall. Green Power!!!! Green Energy!!! Hatch said it well, a battle of scientist. China and India are a problem; they clearly do not respect the environment. Personally I think Al Gore is in it for Al Gore as he travels around in his fuel inefficient Gulf Stream. Green power, of course. Green energy, of course. Green building, of course. Common sense.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
More about John Coleman-- he's a weatherman, not a climate control scientist. Jillian Barbarie from LA Good Morning America and the NFL Today is a weatherman.
More proof that the scientific consensus is a hoax, John Coleman says:
I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. … I have READ dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct.
The conservative blogosphere is pushing Coleman’s junk science today. Matt Drudge links to Newsbusters’ “marvelous” take on Coleman this morning. Red State, Qando, Sister Toldjah, and the Free Republic also join in by approvingly linking to Coleman’s piece.
The right wing should check Coleman’s credentials before touting his “scientific” work. As Coleman admits, his “expertise” is in weather — not climate change science. In fact, he “has been a TV weatherman since he was a freshman in college in 1953.”
Coleman came up with the “idea” for a 24-hour channel devoted to weather, but he ran the station for only one year. Since then, the Weather Channel has prominently embraced the fight against global warming:
“If The Weather Channel isn’t talking about climate change and global warming, who is?” said Kaye Zusmann, the vice president for program strategy and development for the network. “It’s our mandate.”
The Weather Channel is unlikely to hire its founder today. Heidi Cullen, the channel’s climate change expert, wrote last year that the American Meteorological Society should not give its “seal of approval” to any meteorologist who “can’t speak to the fundamental science of climate change.”
Although Coleman still refers to The Weather Channel as his “baby,” he recognizes that he’s no longer welcome there: “The bad guys took it away from me, but they can’t steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year.”
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Post by CM on Jan 30, 2009 21:18:08 GMT -5
How large of shoe horn did you need to use to get stem cell in there? Green makes sense and so does stem cell, but that was some linkage.
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