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Post by daleescondido on Jan 10, 2009 8:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 12:17:10 GMT -5
Mr. Dale I like how you point out that our system is needs to be taken back by americans for americans. VOR stated that us independant/ dem voters did just that this election. I know not everyone likes Obama, and you can never please everybody all the time. I would guese a third party would be the only solution to get the dems and republicans wake up. Or even if we unite both parties, they would then only look to america as a whole instead of dividing and robbing us blind.
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Post by CM on Jan 11, 2009 13:58:09 GMT -5
Mr. Dale I like how you point out that our system is needs to be taken back by americans for americans. VOR stated that us independant/ dem voters did just that this election. I know not everyone likes Obama, and you can never please everybody all the time. I would guese a third party would be the only solution to get the dems and republicans wake up. Or even if we unite both parties, they would then only look to america as a whole instead of dividing and robbing us blind. Jack Oliver, if uniting the parties meant one party I would surely be opposed. As I said many time I will never join either, but support additional party movements. Neither main steam party has an exclusive on robbing us blind. When we proclaim my party is better than yours we just set ourselves up for a fall. It may happen today, next week or next year but man being man will disappoint and corruption will play the leap frog game. I support carving another face in Mount Rushmore so we never forget what Bush has done to us. Good bye and good riddance George W. Bush.
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 14:04:12 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, if uniting the parties meant one party I would surely be opposed. As I said many time I will never join either, but support additional party movements. Neither main steam party has an exclusive on robbing us blind. When we proclaim my party is better than yours we just set ourselves up for a fall. It may happen today, next week or next year but man being man will disappoint and corruption will play the leap frog game. I support carving another face in Mount Rushmore so we never forget what Bush has done to us. Good bye and good riddance George W. Bush. once I finished the post I realized that more than one party is necessary. I didnt mean it that way, I meant that dems and republicans should work together for the common goal of America !!! I appreciate you comment about Bush, Just wished I heard you speak more like this before the election. Better late than never.
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Post by CM on Jan 11, 2009 14:09:21 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, if uniting the parties meant one party I would surely be opposed. As I said many time I will never join either, but support additional party movements. Neither main steam party has an exclusive on robbing us blind. When we proclaim my party is better than yours we just set ourselves up for a fall. It may happen today, next week or next year but man being man will disappoint and corruption will play the leap frog game. I support carving another face in Mount Rushmore so we never forget what Bush has done to us. Good bye and good riddance George W. Bush. once I finished the post I realized that more than one party is necessary. I didnt mean it that way, I meant that dems and republicans should work together for the common goal of America !!! I appreciate you comment about Bush, Just wished I heard you speak more like this before the election. Better late than never. I have consistently said I was a non-Bush supporter. Bush has done some good let me describe it this way. Everyday when you return home from work you bring your spouse flowers. One day you come home and punch your spouse square in the face. What do you think your spouse will remember the most?
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 14:20:43 GMT -5
once I finished the post I realized that more than one party is necessary. I didnt mean it that way, I meant that dems and republicans should work together for the common goal of America !!! I appreciate you comment about Bush, Just wished I heard you speak more like this before the election. Better late than never. I have consistently said I was a non-Bush supporter. Bush has done some good let me describe it this way. Everyday when you return home from work you bring your spouse flowers. One day you come home and punch your spouse square in the face. What do you think your spouse will remember the most? If america was the wife, she would remember how she got dry screwed the night before for 8 long years. what is your opinion about the GOP smear machine Fox News? NOW WERE TALKING ~!
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Post by CM on Jan 11, 2009 14:41:05 GMT -5
Here is where we will differ. The GOP is struggling to finds it’s identity but I do not find some sinister motive behind the party. The GOP is not dead they will return, the party can not decide what’s base is. I think that is a good thing like many football and baseball teams there is a time of rebuilding.
Secondly I don’t see Fox News any further to the right than MSNBC is to the left, both have their moments of extreme. I’ve stated before when Air America was around I would listen to them nearly as much as I did to KFMB. My problem is I’m frequently in remote areas and KFMB is the only station that comes in clearly. If we cherry-pick we can make an issue out of anything.
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 15:04:55 GMT -5
you are correct. The GOP is looking for its base,,,what happened?
my opinion is that the mojority of America dont believe their lies anymore.
trickle down economics only trickles jobs and money out of the country.
Their message of hate and divisiveness is tired and not working any more.
they put their faith in Bush and he has turned out to be the complete opposite of what he promissed.
As long as Hannity and Prck Roberts, and Coulter speak for the GOP, oh I forgot Pallin, as long as they promote the GOP, America will be turned off.
Remember that guy who is slated to be the new head of the RNC, remember the Obama the Magic Negro offense, is that the future of the GOP? Is that what the GOP wants America to be?
some are even calling for Pallin as the new GOP champion. HAS THE GOP LOSTS ITS MIND?
WHY DO SO CALLED CHRISTIANS EMBRACE SUCH LEADERS FULL OF HATE AND DIVISIVENESS?
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 11, 2009 15:10:29 GMT -5
Bush before leaving office should pardon Ramos and Compean and let those 2 officers have their families back and let those children have their fathers back.If our gov't can give total immunity to a drug smuggling,border jumping crook,they can give some compassion to the 2 American defenders.Illegals break our laws everyday while we look the other way,yet we hold our own to higher standards,how can this be if justice is blind?
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 15:15:32 GMT -5
sorry to disagree.
Law enforcement should always be held to a hire standard. this is what makes america the greatest country in the world.
these two officers were found guilty in a court of law, judged by their peirs. Too bad.
guilty is guilty is guilty.
IMO, NO ONE, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. AND WHY THE GOP IS USING THEM? TO GET REPUBLICANS ALL RILLED UP, FOR WHAT? TO DEFEND A COUPLE OF BAD COPS/BORDER AGGENTS?
SHAME SHAME.
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Post by CM on Jan 11, 2009 15:17:09 GMT -5
Bush before leaving office should pardon Ramos and Compean and let those 2 officers have their families back and let those children have their fathers back.If our gov't can give total immunity to a drug smuggling,border jumping crook,they can give some compassion to the 2 American defenders.Illegals break our laws everyday while we look the other way,yet we hold our own to higher standards,how can this be if justice is blind? It serves no purpose to continue their incarceration. Their punishment does not fit the crime.
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 11, 2009 15:26:47 GMT -5
Im sorry I dont know the details. but I understand they got busted for COVERING UP A CRIME.
What were they convicted of?
what do similar cases show as punishment?
that is why america has an appeal process.
If valid, the courts will decide.
I always side with our law and cops, these two makes the rest of them look realy bad.
Please dont let the GOP play you guys like a cheap fiddle.
I dont see the GOP trying to protect minorities that may have been wrongly convicted.
Not directed at you, but this is a GOP hypocritical ploy,,,suprise suprise..
typicaly, anything that the GOP and Hannity claim is usual suspect.
Just like Duke Cunningham. He might have been a hero at one time, but now he is a traitor, taking bribes for millitary contract that effect ALL OF OUR TROOPS.
NOW HE IS A CONVICTED FELLON, DISGRACED CROOK. DIDNT HE ALSO USE HOOKERS? WHAT A FKING HERO !!!
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 11, 2009 15:27:27 GMT -5
Jack,I understand guilty,but that smuggler was also guilty and given immunity.I wish I knew more about the case and why Sutton is so sure he did the right thing,but how about some compassion for the families of these Americans.The smuggler was set free only to get caught smuggling again.I doubt these agents will repeat their mistakes like the smuggler did.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 11, 2009 15:29:09 GMT -5
BTW,they are both minorities if you consider Latino a minority group.
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Post by CM on Jan 11, 2009 15:29:52 GMT -5
you are correct. The GOP is looking for its base,,,what happened? my opinion is that the mojority of America dont believe their lies anymore. trickle down economics only trickles jobs and money out of the country. Their message of hate and divisiveness is tired and not working any more. they put their faith in Bush and he has turned out to be the complete opposite of what he promissed. As long as Hannity and Prck Roberts, and Coulter speak for the GOP, oh I forgot Pallin, as long as they promote the GOP, America will be turned off. Remember that guy who is slated to be the new head of the RNC, remember the Obama the Magic Negro offense, is that the future of the GOP? Is that what the GOP wants America to be? some are even calling for Pallin as the new GOP champion. HAS THE GOP LOSTS ITS MIND? WHY DO SO CALLED CHRISTIANS EMBRACE SUCH LEADERS FULL OF HATE AND DIVISIVENESS? What happened, the same thing that always happens, no person or party will remain on top, just like technology one company will leap-frog another. The GOP will return and the Democratic Party will be leap frogged, and on and on it goes. I do not see the GOP message as hate, I see it as confused for now, and again they are searching for their base and not a base of hate. I don’t think Bush hates America or spreads hate. Your assertion “putting their faith in Bush” is overly simplistic, you take the good, the bad, and the ugly (that was a great Eastwood movie,) unfortunately sometimes you get surprised and end up with more ugly. I think at times you are very black and white and inflexible to see it is gray more often than not.
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