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Post by Turk on Jul 14, 2009 20:39:04 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs will be Obama’s Haliburton. Al Gore and Goldman Sachs will make billions on Cap & Trade.
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Post by johng on Jul 15, 2009 12:35:50 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs will be Obama’s Haliburton. Al Gore and Goldman Sachs will make billions on Cap & Trade. I have not heard the figures on GS but Gore has racked up a net worth increase of 5000% since his "Global Warming Campaign" began. He has pocketed over $100M thus far - not bad for a has been whack job. How much profit it obscene Jack Oliver?
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Post by nikki on Jul 17, 2009 2:19:29 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs will be Obama’s Haliburton. Al Gore and Goldman Sachs will make billions on Cap & Trade. Wow, I have been searching all day for the interview Jerry Doyle gave with FOX or CNN wearing a T-shirt that said, "Arrest Henry Paulson."
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Post by Turk on Jul 17, 2009 18:00:18 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs will be Obama’s Haliburton. Al Gore and Goldman Sachs will make billions on Cap & Trade. Wow, I have been searching all day for the interview Jerry Doyle gave with FOX or CNN wearing a T-shirt that said, "Arrest Henry Paulson." I too looked and could not find it. If Cap & Trade passes Goldman Sachs will make billions. Greedy Gore has already made his fortune.
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Post by johng on Jul 17, 2009 19:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by Tired in CV on Jul 18, 2009 4:54:22 GMT -5
You are absolutely correct on this one! Look at several "other" scenarios very likely to occur as I have some experience with this "waste cycle". 1. Many products that are invented will never be utilized because of the inventors responsibility as to the entire waste cycle, not just the manufacturer! 2. Many products will no longer be "sold" but "leased" with extra fees to insure one will return the product to the originator for disposal. 3. Many don't realize the expanse this program will be. It will be for ink pens, white out, silly dough, toys, games, all the way up to automobiles, airplanes and every product in and including your house! 4. For consumable items like fertilizer, paints, stains, bug sprays, hand lotions, etc. the consumer will have to fill out a form to verify that the product was used as intended, where it was used and not disposed of otherwise. Even how long the container was open so that "evaporation" can be determined. The containers for such items will have to be returned as well. Serial numbers may begin appearing on simple jars, bottles and cans, chairs, desks, furniture and dishes. This is a program that may start out somewhat limited but its intention is absolutely EVERYTHING will be monitored. THAT is absolutely a nightmare! My question is how the state will handle products manufactured outside the state? I am sure that most products are from outside the state. Particularly from overseas? Businesses and jobs will definately leave this state. It is just too much burden upon a company to be responsible for the proper disposal of a product once it is "owned" by somebody else. What if they move out of state? Can they then ignore California's law? How does the company compensate for that, other than charging "core" type fees for everything?
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Post by johng on Sept 29, 2009 16:35:54 GMT -5
Utilities Divided as Exelon Quits Chamber Over Climate ChangeTue Sep 29, 2009 3:11pm EDT By Joe Walsh Exelon became the latest utility to leave the US Chamber of Commerce over the business group's opposition to House climate change legislation. California's Pacific Gas and Electric announced its decision to leave the Chamber in the climate change/cap-and-trade flap last week, quickly followed by New Mexico's PNM Resources.The House Waxman-Markey bill has drawn criticism for being too friendly to utility companies, who would be handed a large percentage of the carbon credit allowances created. That criticism has come not only from environmental advocates who are concerned that free allowances will undermine the value of a cap, but also from other business interests who see the credits creating a potential windfall for utilities - especially those who already generate much of their power from cleaner fuels. The Chamber's opposition to Waxman-Markey is understandable when you consider that they represent a broad cross-section of business sectors, including many that did not fare as well in the negotiations as Waxman-Markey took shape. For their part, the Chamber has responded to the recent defections by noting that it only opposes the House bill itself, and is not opposed to the idea of climate-change legislation. According to their COO David Chavern, "Congress should do everything it can to promote and incentivize technology development and other policies that allow us to control carbon in ways that don't trash the economy." The fact that the Chamber's site was unavailable on the morning of Exelon's announcement indicates that the public may not be ready for so nuanced a position. Might the departures be a harbinger of movement away from the Chamber across the entire utility sector? Or, should they be viewed as evidence of a fracture within the industry? Utilities that rely more heavily on coal and other dirty fuels share the Chamber's concerns about cap-and-trade's impact on the cost of their power. By contrast, PG&E, PNM, Exelon and others that are already invested heavily in cleaner fuels can afford to appear green. It may even be profitable.The Chamber is in the news right now, but the place to watch as the Senate picks up debate of its own bill will be the utility trade group, Edison Electric Institute, which represents the investor-owned companies on both signs of the fuel type divide. EEI has already been engaging Senate leaders in a way that tries to split the difference for its membership: they are not running from Waxman-Markey, but they have some suggestions for improvement on the Senate side. www.reuters.com/article/mnCorporateResponsibility/idUS184611883720090929Remember this bill is pending in the Senate and has already passed the House...
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 17:16:59 GMT -5
size=2] Goldman Sachs will be Obama’s Haliburton. Al Gore and Goldman Sachs will make billions on Cap & Trade. I have not heard the figures on GS but Gore has racked up a net worth increase of 5000% since his "Global Warming Campaign" began. He has pocketed over $100M thus far - not bad for a has been whack job. How much profit it obscene Jack Oliver?[/size][/quote] I realize you posted this back during the last ice age, but, I have a theory why Jack Oliver hasn't replied. He has to cipher how much is obscene profit. He ran out of fingers and has been spending all this time trying to untie his velcro tinny shoes that he painted black so he could feel deserving of his deep military roots. Thanks for the post on the Exelon exit. It reminds me of my latent rage over California's cap & crap with the idiotic weighting of allowances.
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Post by johng on Sept 29, 2009 17:21:43 GMT -5
size=2] I have not heard the figures on GS but Gore has racked up a net worth increase of 5000% since his "Global Warming Campaign" began. He has pocketed over $100M thus far - not bad for a has been whack job. How much profit it obscene Jack Oliver?[/size][/quote] I realize you posted this back during the last ice age, but, I have a theory why Jack Oliver hasn't replied. He has to cipher how much is obscene profit. He ran out of fingers and has been spending all this time trying to untie his velcro tinny shoes that he painted black so he could feel deserving of his deep military roots. Thanks for the post on the Exelon exit. It reminds me of my latent rage over California's cap & crap with the idiotic weighting of allowances.[/quote] I assume you had a good vacation since your humor is above average since return Did momma have some fun too?
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 29, 2009 17:24:44 GMT -5
I assume you had a good vacation since your humor is above average since return Did momma have some fun too?Sadly, she remained at the home front to celebrate her birthday with the kids...
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Post by johng on Sept 29, 2009 17:30:02 GMT -5
I assume you had a good vacation since your humor is above average since return Did momma have some fun too?Sadly, she remained at the home front to celebrate her birthday with the kids... OH so She had a better Time than you - GOOOD
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Post by johng on Oct 5, 2009 16:24:45 GMT -5
Obama puts government on greenhouse-gas dietBy DINA CAPPIELLO – 28 minutes ago WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is putting the federal government on a greenhouse-gas diet.
In an executive order signed Monday, Obama directed all agencies to set the first-ever targets for reducing climate-altering pollution from government buildings, fleets and federal workers' commutes.[/b]
The agencies will have 90 days to tell the White House how much they plan to measure and reduce greenhouse gases from buildings and vehicles by 2020. Targets for employees' commutes and travel will be due June 2010.
"As the largest consumer of energy in the U.S. economy, the federal government can and should lead by example when it comes to creating innovative ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," Obama said in a statement.
The order compels agencies to curb petroleum use, conserve water and curtail waste — extending and expanding on an executive order issued by President George W. Bush in January 2007 that became law earlier this year.
Bush's order, unlike Obama's, did not require agencies to set emissions targets.
The government mandate comes as the Obama administration takes steps to require automakers and large industrial facilities to cut greenhouse gas emissions. It is also a way for the White House to show much-needed progress toward reducing greenhouse gases before more than 180 nations meet in Copenhagen, Denmark, in December to hammer out a new international treaty to slow global warming.
The president wants Congress to pass a bill setting mandatory limits, but its passage is unlikely in the Senate before negotiations begin. The Senate bill would require refineries, factories and power plants to reduce greenhouse gases by 20 percent by 2020 and roughly 80 percent by mid-century.
It was unclear how deep the targets would be for the federal government, or how much of a dent it would make in total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.
www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gh2cPbRUBVxde6RSSBThZUn4jylwD9B55OCO0
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Post by johng on Oct 5, 2009 16:32:17 GMT -5
Business Blitz Seeks Fast Passage of Senate Climate Bill By MICHAEL BURNHAM of Greenwire Published: October 5, 2009 Executives from the Dow Chemical Co., Entergy Corp., Nike Inc. and more than 140 other companies and venture capital firms will convene in Washington this week to lobby Senate lawmakers to pass a comprehensive climate and energy bill quickly. "This is a powerful message that U.S. businesses are united on the urgency for tackling climate change," contended Timberland Co. President and CEO Jeff Swartz, whose company helped organize the lobbying blitz with the help of the investor coalition Ceres. Swartz and other business leaders plan to have lunch tomorrow with the Senate's "Gang of 16," which includes Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) and other industrial-state lawmakers whose support is seen as crucial to passing the greenhouse gas cap-and-trade bill (pdf) introduced last week by Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). The House passed companion Greenwire, Oct. 2). Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is slated to speak tomorrow at a dinner with the business executives. The executives will meet Energy Secretary Steven and Commerce Secretary Gary Locke on Wednesday morning. www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/10/05/05greenwire-business-blitz-seeks-fast-passage-of-senate-cli-3781.html***JD the "Corporations" are at it again and this one means you get to pay more for energy bills, etc.*** Of course it will clean up the air and save the Polar Bears, RIGHT!****
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 5, 2009 18:31:21 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of the manufacturer but we apparently are giving 500 million of tax payer money to produce an 80,000 dollar electric vehicle over seas and Gore is vested in the manufacturer,more money for Gore.Tesla Motors is another manuf. making a 90,000 dollar car ,I'm not sure if they are receiving tax dollars also.Who can afford these cars?Not the average citizen so it is a waste of money,IMO.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 5, 2009 20:18:29 GMT -5
While this idea is utopian and economically unfeasible at the present time (except in Europe!), I believe this is the way products will be sold sometime in the future, maybe a couple of decades from now. It only makes sense that all the costs of a product be considered up front and be the responsibility of the manufacturer. Hey, I said it was utopian.
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