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Post by dolphie on Oct 18, 2009 2:44:15 GMT -5
Much like the Dot.Com boom - where is the Brick and Mortar? I'm sorry but I think you're missing my point: Gore's $100Million Personal Worth did not come from the Carbon Credit stuff, which is a future issue. Google and Apple are not snake oil (neither are TV networks and Venture Capital firms). dolphie, for many years there have been various "credit trading" systems for emissions limit credits in various industries. There has been a vibrant "acid-raid credits" open market for over a decade, for instance. The cap and trade emissions standards currently under consideration the world over are extremely ambitious to put it mildly. However, it doesn't appear to be doomed to jokedom. A large number of countries are running pilot/test programs in order to develop a worldwide carbon credits open market. A fake money based upon a fake ideology. It is yet another way to rip the rug out of common sense and material standards.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 18, 2009 2:45:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't bank on it. More people are waking up to the scam and realizing they are paying the penalties while the scam artists are getting richer yet are not abiding by that which they preach.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 18, 2009 12:59:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't bank on it. More people are waking up to the scam and realizing they are paying the penalties while the scam artists are getting richer yet are not abiding by that which they preach. I will agree with you this much: There is nothing scam artists can't make a buck on. Look at the countless dollars (or pounds or yen or marks) scam artists have made off of Capitalism over the centuries!
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Post by dolphie on Oct 18, 2009 13:13:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't bank on it. More people are waking up to the scam and realizing they are paying the penalties while the scam artists are getting richer yet are not abiding by that which they preach. I will agree with you this much: There is nothing scam artists can't make a buck on. Look at the countless dollars (or pounds or yen or marks) scam artists have made off of Capitalism over the centuries! Aye, but the monetary item (yen, dollar, ruble, pound, etc) was based upon actual gold, silver, jewels. It was not based upon a fib as are carbon credits. These idiots actually believe carbon dioxide is bad. Do they not know what plants require for survival? Years down the road people will be looking at the leaders of today while shaking their heads in disbelief. How could people claim to be 'geniuses' 'intelligent' 'considering our planet' when in reality it is quite the opposite. It is probably these same people who are stupid enough to stand on a jetty when the waves are crashing around - then wondering why they are in the ocean drowning as Mother Nature says, oh puny stupid human - you still do not understand that no one should mess with Mother Nature. To suffer the arrogance of humans.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 18, 2009 13:32:04 GMT -5
I can't deny the arrogance of humans, D!
I can't judge the science of climate change, so all I can do is make my best guess about who is correct on their approach when voting time comes around, and I'll go with the side I consider most friendly to conservation. It isn't the conservatives for some reason.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 18, 2009 13:58:30 GMT -5
I can't deny the arrogance of humans, D! I can't judge the science of climate change, so all I can do is make my best guess about who is correct on their approach when voting time comes around, and I'll go with the side I consider most friendly to conservation. It isn't the conservatives for some reason. It is not the conservatives you have an issue with, JD. It is the RINO GOP. They have sold out. Just like I do not have an issue with the true Democrats like Zell Miller, etc. They may not see things like I do - but they have a real passion and love for this country. We need the original true Democrats and we need the Conservatives. We do not need the progressives and the RINOS. These groups would sell their grandmother, spouse, children just to gain whatever is in their teeny hearts at the time. Most on these boards are conservatives or Libertarian-conservatives. Have you seen _any_ of us be disrespectful to the environment? Seriously. We are a good sprinkling of what the rest of the USA is about. Remember - the true Conservative believes in successful, productive families. Many of us are farmers, ranchers, fishermen, etc. In california - many of us are surfers, SCUBA divers, animal lovers, etc. We must take care to ensure there is plenty for our families' generations to access so our family remains successful. Talk to a fisherman - he will not over fish an area. He knows the life cycle and respects it. Talk to a farmer - they tend the earth better than many do. Talk to a rancher - they tend their animals and ranch well. Those of us who live at the beach and enjoy water activities - we are active in keeping the waters clean and the eco-system balanced. Around me - I love the critters who come to visit. I have a silly raccoon - I think he is a teenager - who does become rambunctious on my rooftop. The other night he was making far too much noise. I went outside - found where he had POUNDED off to on the rooftop, looked and him and did the finger to the lips : shhhhhh now shush that noise. He turned around and slowly walked away knowing he had overstepped. I have had that same raccoon exhibit extreme curiousity in this human and try to engage me in playing. I have skunks who come around, lizards, hummingbirds LOVE my place. The other day I saw an incredible Osprey on a lamppost and stopped to admire it. My new neighbors are intense liberals - they hate the skunks that come around. They kill off the lizards. They complain about the birds singing. (we have one bird that wakes up in the middle of the night and sings a soft chattery song throughout the night - very soothing) We tend to seek balance and continued growth whereas the liberals are stuck in snapshots that create furor and they promote actions that are really detrimental to an area. They do not really understand the cycles of nature. So, please - get off the conservatives hate this planet routine because for the majority - that is not true.
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Post by johng on Oct 19, 2009 15:57:22 GMT -5
Biden Says Energy-Saving Plan Would Help Homeowners (Update1) By Daniel Whitten and Roger Runningen Oct. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration is backing a plan to let homeowners finance the cost of energy-efficiency improvements through their property tax assessments. The proposal is one of several that would help cut U.S. energy consumption while creating jobs in industries that make and install energy-efficient products such as insulation, Vice President Joe Biden said today in an event to unveil the plan. Retrofitting homes with insulation and weather-proofing doors can save “at a minimum, between 300 and 1,200 bucks a year,” Biden said. “You get pay-back real quick on these investments.” Biden said the proposal builds on provisions of the $787 billion stimulus package passed by Congress earlier. As part of the stimulus, the Energy Department was given $7.6 billion to dole out to states to weatherproof homes and other energy efficiency efforts. The administration, which has been promoting the legislation’s impact on employment, said the provision meets the twin goals of boosting jobs in so-called green industries and helping the U.S. cut greenhouse-gas emissions. Each year, Americans spend $1,500 to $3,000 to heat and air condition their homes, Biden said. Paying for improvements on property tax bills would let homeowners spread the cost of the investment over time. Retrofitting In addition, the new initiative, dubbed Recovery Through Retrofit, would provide wider access to reliable information about increasing the energy efficiency, set national standards for training of workers to perform such jobs and create a certification process identifying energy-efficient homes. Retrofitting the nation’s 130 million homes for energy efficiency would cut greenhouse gas emissions by as much 20 percent, the equivalent of taking 30 million cars off the road, Biden said. Savings on energy bills would amount to $21 billion annually, he said. Republicans have criticized the stimulus legislation, saying it added to the deficit without doing enough to boost jobs. The nation’s unemployment rate was 9.8 percent last month and President Barack Obama has said he expects it to hit at least 10 percent before coming down. Republican Representative Doc Hastings, of Washington, said the administration was creating a relatively small number of jobs in energy efficiency, while effectively slashing jobs in traditional energy sectors like oil and gas production. “With the failed ‘stimulus,’ and national unemployment climbing to almost 10 percent, America needs to create every job it can,” Hastings said. “Jobless Americans can’t afford policies that just create one type of job.” The administration reported last week that federal contracts awarded so far have saved or created 30,383 jobs and this morning said the stimulus has allowed school districts to avoid layoffs and restore budgets, resulting in about 250,000 education jobs. To contact the reporters on this story: Daniel Whitten in Washington at dwhitten2@bloomberg.net; Roger Runningen in Washington at rrunningen@bloomberg.net Last Updated: October 19, 2009 15:17 EDT www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7TbVuQyY9FE
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Post by johng on Oct 19, 2009 18:37:41 GMT -5
Jdredd now is the time buddy. Buy one of those cute lit' "Caulk Magic" tools on TV and man up for the big Hiring Spree your boys are cultivating!
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