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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 20:44:22 GMT -5
I realize this is a touchy subject but I think it must be discussed. Certainly with all the criticism of Islam, other religions should not be off limits. My point is, if criticism of Israel is considered anti-Semitic, then the fate of Judaism may be being tied too closely to the fate of Israel, and they are not the same from my perspective. Not even Jews were unanimous on the wisdom of a Jewish state. Anyone want to venture an opinion?
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Post by johng on Jun 5, 2009 21:02:35 GMT -5
We need to get you a job, you have too much time on your hands
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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 21:07:16 GMT -5
Oh, sure...rub it in.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 21:09:13 GMT -5
How many hours have you guys spent in front of the boob tube in the last month?
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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 21:10:03 GMT -5
Or playing video games?
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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 21:13:47 GMT -5
And I won't even ask about you porn addicts...
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Post by jdredd on Jun 5, 2009 21:43:03 GMT -5
Gets kind of lonely here on Friday nights. Maybe if I had a life...
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Post by johng on Jun 6, 2009 12:33:52 GMT -5
JD I feel your pain but man you need new friends cause none of us do those things. I am too old and lack the reflex to deal with video games, the porn is wasted on me anyway and my time in front of the boob tube is on Discovery or History Channel with a hour or so a day on Fox news, which does not play well here either. Friday evening usually finds me on the patio with the misses grilling fish and veggies for dinner while enjoying a cocktail or two. Pretty boring life when you think about it and I have worked so hard for the past 30 years to enjoy that boredom! Last night while grilling my 3 year old grandaughter called to tell Papua "I love you, with all my heart" which is a first time for the full sentence and most heart warming to say the lest. She got herself a trip to the Wild Animal park with Yia Yia today because she told her the same. papua is working and OpEding so she has the same great opportunity as her Dad to live an improved lifestyle the son is not yet able to afford. Isn't America Great with parents and grandparents (papua) who work so hard to promote irresponsibility within the clan and then come to the boardroom to bitch about it all!
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Post by johng on Jun 6, 2009 12:37:58 GMT -5
Oh BTW... Judaism must survive or Zionism will have nothing to stand for! I think you are getting the message that this topic is dead and few will expand on the position statement. Sorry ol boy but find a more "down to earth" discussion item.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 6, 2009 12:40:20 GMT -5
OK, now that is a nice picture you paint. I'm glad you're life has gotten to that point. And I have to say: when my grandkids are visiting, I don't sit on this board either. I was just saying we all get our small pleasures in different ways, and communicating our opinions here is hardly the lamest thing to do.
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Post by johng on Jun 6, 2009 12:49:58 GMT -5
OK, now that is a nice picture you paint. I'm glad you're life has gotten to that point. And I have to say: when my grandkids are visiting, I don't sit on this board either. I was just saying we all get our small pleasures in different ways, and communicating our opinions here is hardly the lamest thing to do. AGREED. I love this board and am getting rather fond of Bruce and Jack Oliver for the stimulation. You of course are more centrist and good with debate. They just feed fodder and keep the fire raging so well.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 6, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5
Well, maybe this topic is not "down to earth", like say gun control. But here is the kind of scenario I was worried about: Israel thinks it's survival is threatened, and starts nuking Damascus, Cairo, Tehran etc. The world goes crazy, and Jews around the world become imperiled. Yes, it's just a fantasy, but I thought we might address it. If people here would rather worry about Obama coming to get their AR-15, that's fine with me.
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Post by johng on Jun 6, 2009 13:35:54 GMT -5
JD,
I was not say Gun control is a better 'down to earth" topic just that this one is very volitile... I doubt Isreal will be so foolish and the rest of the world won't stand for it anyway. Isreal is and will always be threatened by the extreme behaviors on both sides of that situation.
I am more concerned with the loonatic in Iran than Isreal anyway!
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Post by bruce on Jun 6, 2009 15:36:12 GMT -5
Zionism and Judaism do not always fit together like pieces of a puzzle. Many Jews are not Zionists. There are a number of Jewish intellecuals who don't think Israel will be around in 30 or 50 years. I realize that the middle east is the traditional homeland of the Jews, but many feel it's location amid hostile Muslim countries was a poor choice hor a Jewish state. But I guess my opinion doesn't matter much since I'm just "fodder".
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Post by nikki on Jun 6, 2009 15:56:36 GMT -5
Bruce,
You should watch the documentary "Farewell Israel" by Joel Gilbert. I have recommended that doc here many times, but never got any takers who said they watched it.
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