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Post by Tired in CV on Apr 16, 2009 17:47:40 GMT -5
I thought I would put this here because it deals with immigration. Freedom of speech? They wouldn't allow Tancredo to speak. In doing so they also silenced a group that represents them that was to counter Tancredo! Protest stops Tancredo's UNC speechBy Jesse James DeConto - Staff Writer Published: Wed, Apr. 15, 2009 04:57AMModified Wed, Apr. 15, 2009 CHAPEL HILL -- UNC-CH police released pepper spray and threatened to use a Taser on student protesters Tuesday evening when a crowd disrupted a speech by former Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo opposing in-state tuition benefits to unauthorized immigrants. ~ But campus visitors and some faculty members in the capacity crowd of 150 urged the students to let Tancredo speak. "We are the children of immigrants, and this concerns us," said junior Lizette Lopez, 22, vice president of the Carolina Hispanic Association. "So we would at least like to hear what he has to say if you want to hear what we have to say." ~ Lopez said she had mixed emotions about how the event ended. "We were more interested in an intellectual conversation instead of a shouting match," she said. "Ironically, the people that are trying to get our voices heard silenced us."whole article: www.newsobserver.com/news/immigration/story/1486087.html
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Post by lou on Apr 16, 2009 19:33:49 GMT -5
I thought I would put this here because it deals with immigration. Freedom of speech? They wouldn't allow Tancredo to speak. In doing so they also silenced a group that represents them that was to counter Tancredo! Protest stops Tancredo's UNC speechBy Jesse James DeConto - Staff Writer Published: Wed, Apr. 15, 2009 04:57AMModified Wed, Apr. 15, 2009 CHAPEL HILL -- UNC-CH police released pepper spray and threatened to use a Taser on student protesters Tuesday evening when a crowd disrupted a speech by former Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo opposing in-state tuition benefits to unauthorized immigrants. ~ But campus visitors and some faculty members in the capacity crowd of 150 urged the students to let Tancredo speak. "We are the children of immigrants, and this concerns us," said junior Lizette Lopez, 22, vice president of the Carolina Hispanic Association. "So we would at least like to hear what he has to say if you want to hear what we have to say." ~ Lopez said she had mixed emotions about how the event ended. "We were more interested in an intellectual conversation instead of a shouting match," she said. "Ironically, the people that are trying to get our voices heard silenced us."whole article: www.newsobserver.com/news/immigration/story/1486087.html I heard this on Roger Hedgecock's show today. He had Tancredo on. It is intriguing about "freedom of speech" and how many believe that this freedom should have reins.
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Post by Jack on May 10, 2009 17:11:31 GMT -5
I'm sure there are more than a few jobs currently held by illegal aliens that unemployed US citizens would gladly fill. Maybe President Obama doesn't see it that way. Obama Administration Implements Non-Enforcement Policywww.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/issues/obamas_nonenforcement_policyBased on the president’s first six weeks in office, the April edition of FAIR’s Immigration Report began to connect the dots and sketch out the Obama administration’s immigration policy. "With or without [amnesty] legislation, the administration is sending unmistakable signals to illegal aliens that they will not vigorously enforce laws against illegal immigration," we observed. Since that time, "unmistakable signals" have been translated into unmistakable deeds, all leading to the inescapable conclusion that not only won’t the administration vigorously enforce laws against illegal immigration, but their intent is to dismantle immigration enforcement programs altogether. Following an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) worksite enforcement action in Bellingham, Washington, in late February, the administration stated publicly that such actions are under review. By the end of March the review was over and so, apparently, is worksite enforcement. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano signaled in late March that the arrest of illegal alien workers would be abandoned in favor of going after employers only. A planned enforcement action against a military-related facility in Chicago, suspected of employing hundreds of illegal aliens, was called off. Even more pointedly, DHS released 27 of the 28 illegal aliens nabbed in the Bellingham enforcement action and issued them work permits and the right to remain in the country for an indefinite period. Napolitano indicated that the administration will focus its enforcement efforts on businesses and executives responsible for employing illegal aliens. How the government will be able to prosecute businesses and executives for employing illegal aliens without conducting worksite enforcement is not clear. Nor is it clear how ICE plans to carry out enforcement actions against company executives, while ignoring the illegal workers on the factory floor or the construction site. While DHS was reviewing and gutting worksite enforcement, the president was busy appointing illegal alien advocates to key positions in his administration. With the nomination of Thomas Perez to head up the civil rights division of the Department of Justice and Esther Olavarria as a deputy assistant secretary of DHS, the upper echelons of the Obama administration have now been filled with individuals who are openly hostile to any sort of immigration enforcement.What distinguishes the actions of the Obama administration from those of its predecessors is that the president is affirmatively dismantling existing immigration enforcement programs and infrastructure. While Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush did little to enforce immigration laws when they assumed power, their inaction was merely a perpetuation of the status quo. The status quo inherited by President Obama, on the other hand, was one in which ICE was successfully carrying out enforcement actions against businesses, prosecuting employers, deporting illegal workers, and discouraging other employers from hiring illegal aliens. In the case of the current president, not enforcing worksite immigration laws required a deliberate and calculated change in direction.
The Obama administration’s policy of non-enforcement will not go unchallenged in Congress or by organizations like FAIR that have worked hard to promote sensible enforcement of U.S. immigration policies. Secretary Napolitano’s announcement that worksite enforcement would be curtailed drew immediate concern from key members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who urged the administration to maintain efforts to rescue American jobs from illegal aliens. FAIR, too, has been waging a national effort to keep the heat on the administration to protect the jobs of U.S. workers. In the media, and through our national network of immigration reformers, FAIR will make sure that the president and Congress hear the voices of the American public.
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Post by jdredd on May 10, 2009 23:11:04 GMT -5
Frankly, for my part, I couldn't care less what FAIR has to say about anything, as it is nothing more than the most loud and extreme anti-undocumented worker lobbying group. I'm glad the ICE is having to back off from it's aggressive and disruptive workplace pogroms. Economic recessions in the past have been used by governments without compassion to go after migrant workers, and I'm glad the present administration may not be doing so. Unemployment is a problem that cannot be just limited to one nation, it will always spill over into richer neighbors, and as I've said before borders are only for the poor. Labor is under attack worldwide, and the problem will need a worldwide solution.
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Post by CM on May 10, 2009 23:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on May 11, 2009 0:23:18 GMT -5
OK that was funny CM...
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Post by jdredd on May 26, 2009 23:04:43 GMT -5
My wife, who works for a media company, told me that a fellow employee got an e-mail from their "print agent" (I don't even know what that is). The e-mail was a "joke" involving a Mexican, and Arab, and a "redneck girl" who went into a bar, and needless to say ended with the redneck girl shooting the "illegal" Arab and Mexican. Let's just say this genius "print agent" has just lost an account.
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Post by nikki on May 27, 2009 0:46:39 GMT -5
My wife, who works for a media company, told me that a fellow employee got an e-mail from their "print agent" (I don't even know what that is). The e-mail was a "joke" involving a Mexican, and Arab, and a "redneck girl" who went into a bar, and needless to say ended with the redneck girl shooting the "illegal" Arab and Mexican. Let's just say this genius "print agent" has just lost an account. Jdredd, "and needless to say" ....... "your bigot butts" ...... My, my. It is really true that the left can throw out any sh*t to see what sticks, but others have to provide link after link. I think what it boils down to is that the left has become very adept at just countering any challenge with --- all we need to do is call you a racist and/or a bigot -- the end.
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Post by jdredd on May 27, 2009 1:41:57 GMT -5
I CONFESS...yes, "bigot butts" was, in fact, valueless name calling. I too give into it on occasion in moments of weakness...and I'm ready to take my punishment. I will now bend over...
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Post by bruce on May 27, 2009 7:14:26 GMT -5
Most of the anti-immigrant groups are riddled with racism. FAIR and US Numbers have deep ties with the far right extremist types. The various minuteman groups are at each other's throat ,mostly over money, or who is "in charge". This doesn't mean that all those involved are racist but the movement is riddled with questionable people.
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Post by Jack on May 27, 2009 10:39:55 GMT -5
Most of the anti-immigrant groups are riddled with racism. FAIR and US Numbers have deep ties with the far right extremist types. The various minuteman groups are at each other's throat ,mostly over money, or who is "in charge". This doesn't mean that all those involved are racist but the movement is riddled with questionable people. Bruce, You've got to tone down the conspiracy theory crap and stop labeling everything you don't like as far right extremism or tainted with racism. This whole country is "riddled with questionable people", but that doesn't mean we should vilify everything. I made modest contributions to FAIR through the Combined Federal Campaign for most of my career with the federal gov't. Guess CFC wasn't as savvy as you at ferreting out the bad guys. I also contributed to English First and other groups promoting the sovereignty and cultural bonds that hold this country together. I also paid close attention to how a group spent their money and would refuse to give a dime to those with high administrative costs or overly paid executives. That's why the Red Cross in all it's variations never did see a nickel of my money. Sometimes I think you just wake up a bit cranky and then mellow out as the day goes on. Guess I'm guilty of that too.
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Post by CM on May 27, 2009 10:48:04 GMT -5
Good post Jack Most of the anti-immigrant groups are riddled with racism. FAIR and US Numbers have deep ties with the far right extremist types. The various minuteman groups are at each other's throat ,mostly over money, or who is "in charge". This doesn't mean that all those involved are racist but the movement is riddled with questionable people. I think that is a very unfair statement, sounds like the brain polluters Randi Rhodes and Rachel Maddow.
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Post by bruce on May 27, 2009 11:21:59 GMT -5
I don't have time now to give examples, but I am not "in favor" od illegal immigration. The problem I have is that too many anti-immigrant activists attack the people, not the policies. Later.
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Post by johng on May 27, 2009 16:56:42 GMT -5
We don't need any of the "Anxilliary Groups" or new policies and laws to deal with Illegal Immigration, we simply need to release the law enforcement agencies to enforce the existing laws and stop the flow of illegals into the country!
The Mexican governement is the main reason for the poor state of Mexico. The people can't get anywhere because of it no matter how hard they work and the Mexican people are hard working people!
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Post by bruce on May 28, 2009 18:27:55 GMT -5
Good post Jack Most of the anti-immigrant groups are riddled with racism. FAIR and US Numbers have deep ties with the far right extremist types. The various minuteman groups are at each other's throat ,mostly over money, or who is "in charge". This doesn't mean that all those involved are racist but the movement is riddled with questionable people. I think that is a very unfair statement, sounds like the brain polluters Randi Rhodes and Rachel Maddow. Roy Beck, of Numbers USA is a good example. He has deep links with one John Tanton, who was involved in forming FAIR and US English. Beck worked for him at one time and has often spoke on the same program. Tanton is a notorious anti-Semite, and a racists with muliple connections to racist groups, including those advocating eugenics. He has stated that Latinos are nor "educable" and has compared them to bacteria. Tanton also is a haulocost denier. Tanton also supports and is supported by the Pioneer Fund, which is racist and anti-semetic. FAIR received funding from the Pioneer Fund. He also has a symbiotic relationship with Kevin McDonald, a well known anti-semitic professor. Like most right wing extremist groups, it is a tangled and complicated web, often leading back to where it started. Beck has tried to distance himself from Tanton, without much sucess. They both spoke recently before the Council of Concerned Citizens, another racist group. FAIR, Numbers USA and US English try to pass themselves off as respectable groups, but the truth is their origins with Tanton, his influence, and the always murky world the right wing operates in.I'm sure a googling of these groups and individuals would bring up a much more detailed and thorough report opn these characters.
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