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Post by dolphie on Dec 22, 2010 14:41:03 GMT -5
Who needs a stinking point? Still, the name of this thread suggests something, doesn't it? Let's just say when people in the West suggest we are poor innocent victims of Islamic aggression, there is much more to it. Once again- the leftist shows off their lack of historical knowledge. Go back in time to the original beginnings of who did what to whom. When you post - it helps to show a title or some point you are bring up for conversation. Personally - you can give that bigoted site all the link through publicity you want - I will not.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Dec 22, 2010 18:04:35 GMT -5
Who needs a stinking point? Still, the name of this thread suggests something, doesn't it? Let's just say when people in the West suggest we are poor innocent victims of Islamic aggression, there is much more to it. Once again- the leftist shows off their lack of historical knowledge. Go back in time to the original beginnings of who did what to whom. When you post - it helps to show a title or some point you are bring up for conversation. Personally - you can give that bigoted site all the link through publicity you want - I will not. Come on, Dolphie! JD actually makes a good point. The French have been bullying the world for long enough. It's time to take them down a notch or two! By the way, did you read in Al Jazeera that they think Asstrange should have gotten Time's Man of the Year award, instead of Zuckerberg? Pretty cool, right JD? Anyone that causes harm to your country is Man of the Year in your book, right?!
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Post by dolphie on Dec 22, 2010 18:20:40 GMT -5
Once again- the leftist shows off their lack of historical knowledge. Go back in time to the original beginnings of who did what to whom. When you post - it helps to show a title or some point you are bring up for conversation. Personally - you can give that bigoted site all the link through publicity you want - I will not. Come on, Dolphie! JD actually makes a good point. The French have been bullying the world for long enough. It's time to take them down a notch or two! By the way, did you read in Al Jazeera that they think Asstrange should have gotten Time's Man of the Year award, instead of Zuckerberg? Pretty cool, right JD? Anyone that causes harm to your country is Man of the Year in your book, right?! LOL I am not giving JD ANY slack at this stage of the game. I made the mistake of standing up for him and he just proved everyone else to be right and proved me to be too trusting.
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Post by jdredd on Dec 22, 2010 23:56:57 GMT -5
Once again- the leftist shows off their lack of historical knowledge. Go back in time to the original beginnings of who did what to whom. When you post - it helps to show a title or some point you are bring up for conversation. Personally - you can give that bigoted site all the link through publicity you want - I will not. Come on, Dolphie! JD actually makes a good point. The French have been bullying the world for long enough. It's time to take them down a notch or two! By the way, did you read in Al Jazeera that they think Asstrange should have gotten Time's Man of the Year award, instead of Zuckerberg? Pretty cool, right JD? Anyone that causes harm to your country is Man of the Year in your book, right?! Remind me again why the leaks harmed the U.S.
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Post by jdredd on Dec 23, 2010 0:10:45 GMT -5
Come on, Dolphie! JD actually makes a good point. The French have been bullying the world for long enough. It's time to take them down a notch or two! By the way, did you read in Al Jazeera that they think Asstrange should have gotten Time's Man of the Year award, instead of Zuckerberg? Pretty cool, right JD? Anyone that causes harm to your country is Man of the Year in your book, right?! LOL I am not giving JD ANY slack at this stage of the game. I made the mistake of standing up for him and he just proved everyone else to be right and proved me to be too trusting. Sorry, D., I have to call 'em as I see 'em. But you did make me see the light on using Europe as a place we should emulate.
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Post by Tired in CV on Dec 23, 2010 1:02:46 GMT -5
Who needs a stinking point? Still, the name of this thread suggests something, doesn't it? Let's just say when people in the West suggest we are poor innocent victims of Islamic aggression, there is much more to it. It isn't all about the West suppressing the people Islam as reported about the French, it is really about Islam vs Christianity! Anything else is just an excuse! These people share some of the same relatives but differ in religion. So this is the driving factor between Algeria and France more than their differences of the past. Iraqi rches cancel Christmas festivitiesBy YAHYA BARZANJI and SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Yahya Barzanji And Sameer N. Yacoub, Associated Press – Wed Dec 22, 9:24 pm ET KIRKUK, Iraq – No decorations, no midnight Mass. Even an appearance by Santa Claus has been nixed after Iraq's Christian leaders called off Christmas celebrations amid new al-Qaida threats on the tiny community still terrified from a bloody siege on a Baghdad rch. Christians across Iraq have been living in fear since the assault on Our Lady of Salvation rch as its Catholic congregation was celebrating Sunday Mass. Sixty-eight people were killed. Days later Islamic insurgents bombed Christian homes and neighborhoods across the capital. On Tuesday, al-Qaida insurgents threatened more attacks on Iraq's beleaguered Christians, many of whom have fled their homes or the country since the rch attack. A council representing Christian denominations across Iraq advised its followers to cancel public celebrations of Christmas out of concern for their lives and as a show of mourning for the victims. "Nobody can ignore the threats of al-Qaida against Iraqi Christians," said Chaldean Archbishop Louis Sako in Kirkuk. "We cannot find a single source of joy that makes us celebrate. The situation of the Christians is bleak." < snip > news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101223/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq
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Post by jdredd on Dec 23, 2010 5:21:08 GMT -5
Who do you think the Islamic extremists hate more, Christians or "Secular Progressives" (as Newt calls us lefties)? Any opinions?
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Post by dj on Dec 23, 2010 12:28:47 GMT -5
Who do you think the Islamic extremists hate more, Christians or "Secular Progressives" (as Newt calls us lefties)? Any opinions? It doesn't matter who the extremists hate because they are nutcakes. There is no validity to their logic about who to hate and why. This is the same for every stripe of extremist. Deep down in your comment I see your point, but the better question for exploring the issue is, with whom is the modern American muslim more likely to find common ground: liberals who more generally champion their civil liberties and religious tolerance, or conservatives who more generally share their traditional socio-religious morality? The modern american muslim who grows up here, goes to school and works here, is like many young Americans often questioning the authority of the societal mores and their religious upbringing. As young adults if they don't outright reject their parents' religious moral stance they might pay little attention to it relative to their younger years. In California in 2008 American Muslims were, like blacks and latinos, were just as likely to vote yes on Prop 8 as they were to vote for Obama for president.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Dec 23, 2010 15:56:59 GMT -5
... Remind me again why the leaks harmed the U.S. Remind us all why it makes sense to fix a small leak in a dam.
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Post by jdredd on Dec 24, 2010 4:01:02 GMT -5
... Remind me again why the leaks harmed the U.S. Remind us all why it makes sense to fix a small leak in a dam. You have a point. Some things need to be kept secret. Who decides? And of course any secret is always in danger of being exposed.
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Post by jdredd on Dec 24, 2010 4:15:13 GMT -5
Who do you think the Islamic extremists hate more, Christians or "Secular Progressives" (as Newt calls us lefties)? Any opinions? It doesn't matter who the extremists hate because they are nutcakes. There is no validity to their logic about who to hate and why. This is the same for every stripe of extremist. Deep down in your comment I see your point, but the better question for exploring the issue is, with whom is the modern American muslim more likely to find common ground: liberals who more generally champion their civil liberties and religious tolerance, or conservatives who more generally share their traditional socio-religious morality?The modern american muslim who grows up here, goes to school and works here, is like many young Americans often questioning the authority of the societal mores and their religious upbringing. As young adults if they don't outright reject their parents' religious moral stance they might pay little attention to it relative to their younger years. In California in 2008 American Muslims were, like blacks and latinos, were just as likely to vote yes on Prop 8 as they were to vote for Obama for president. Good question. But it is the Americans with strong religious beliefs that seem to be most zealous about going after Muslims who are strong in their faith, which makes us liberals look like we are "supporting" Islamic extremism. Can't be helped, I guess.
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Post by Tired in CV on Dec 24, 2010 4:28:34 GMT -5
Remind us all why it makes sense to fix a small leak in a dam. You have a point. Some things need to be kept secret. Who decides? And of course any secret is always in danger of being exposed. Just because something is secret doesn't mean that it reflects wrongdoing. Many of the "secrets" being released are just opinionated dispatches that reflects the view(s) of a single person and not necessarily the view(s) of an administration or nation. So far they have only raised some embarrassment, fostered some "so-whats" and made some diplomatic relationships a bit uneasy. The worst that has happened is that some of our reconnaissance gathering may have been exposed. This may put personnel at risk and/or compromise our response to various events in the future. Since this last major "leak" has occurred, we have had less than 2000 of the 250,000 leaks published. Is there a whopper yet to be revealed? Who knows. If they are publishing the worst of them, then there isn't much to worry about in future releases. Only, I don't believe that is the case. If you think there is absolutely nothing wrong with the leaks, then you must not have ANY secrets from your wife, children, friends or employers. (Does your wife know all the women you dated, and the particulars of the dates, etc.?) Most of these leaks are not much different than a secret you might have with one of them. Information can be misconstrued as to its intent without the related dispatches in which information was sent. Some information may cause hard feelings. Then again, some of the "leaks" have revealed information that shows our government was doing what we many of us wanted.
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Post by jdredd on Dec 29, 2010 15:33:09 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghanistan-tora-bora-20101230,0,7883864.story "Bin Laden's escape from a Western and Afghan manhunt in December 2001 still rankles U.S. officials, who believe it would have changed the course of what has become a long and draining conflict. This has been the deadliest year of the war, with nearly 500 American troops killed." A famous politician said "All politics are local". And that is just what disturbs me about Bush's invasion of Afghanistan. If they had killed Osama in the mountains of Tora Bora, would that have been the end of the American occupation? Was Bush just playing to America's thirst for vengeance after 9/11, which may have been satiated with Osama's death alone? Instead, we went to war with the Pushtuns, and it's now approaching it's tenth year. Ah, but history is littered with unnecessary tragedies.
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Post by jdredd on Jan 18, 2013 0:11:19 GMT -5
Let me put in another disclaimer before I post in this thread: I am not implying that the attacks by the West on Radical Islam is not justified. In no way is Radical Islam an innocent victim. I'm commenting on the nature of that violence, which has been going on for almost 1500 years, and we could claim Islam STARTED it if we wanted to use that juvenile argument.
The latest rumble is in Mali, were the French are intervening with US support against alleged Al Qaeda connected forces. Is it my imagination, or is Al Qaeda spreading? I'm sure you conspiracy types see some evil Obama plot in this somewhere, but whatever. I am wondering if our strategery is making the problem worse though.
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Post by Turk on Jan 18, 2013 22:28:54 GMT -5
Juvenile argument, you gotta be kidding. Arabs have been slitting throats and head looping years before the USA was discovered. You can’t change hate that is ingrained from birth but many armed nukes can get rid of the SOB’s forever.
I’ve known 100’s if not 1,000’s of muslims and everyone would kill you, your family and everyone you know if they could get away with it. Fortunately ingrained with hate is cowardness.
Obama plot, who cares, the man is a menace to the world. And I hold my head in shame that I put my life on the line for scum-bags like him.
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