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Post by CM on Mar 12, 2009 22:58:38 GMT -5
Hatch,
Did you bring up the missing $500 billion? Andrew and I just had a little chat about that on the RR site. If we knew enough about it and I knew how to create a new topic, that one, I think, would be worth it.
September 15, 2008, $500 billion disappeared in electronic run ................. hotair.com/archives/2009/02/10/video-the-day-the-global-economy-almost-died
BTW, I agree. It would be nice to hear from Gene. You have his email, right?
G'night, all. [/size] Nikki I know very little about this and it is worthy of discussion. I’ve started the thread on your behalf. I’ll checkout FAQ in the “Announcements” board and make sure there is an entry on “How to start a thread”
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Post by CM on Mar 12, 2009 23:03:30 GMT -5
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Post by EscapeHatch on Mar 13, 2009 16:27:39 GMT -5
I read an opinion in which George Soros was fingered as the September 15th raider. It gave me a moment's pause. After all, he did something similar to two other countries: the United Kingdom and Maylasia. It nearly destroyed the UK. But, then I read something like this: China’s Leader Says He Is ‘Worried’ Over U.S. Treasuries By MICHAEL WINES and KEITH BRADSHER Published: March 13, 2009 New York Times BEIJING — The Chinese prime minister, Wen Jiabao, expressed unusually blunt concern on Friday about the safety of China’s $1 trillion investment in American government debt, the world’s largest such holding, and urged the Obama administration to provide assurances that the securities would maintain their value in the face of a global financial crisis. I have to admit that I am worried that China is worried. Could China have been the Sept 15th culprit? Are we not getting details because there's a new sheriff in town?
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Post by nikki on Mar 13, 2009 18:03:45 GMT -5
Curious, isn't it? I look at the timing of it. At that time, while Obama had become quite the rock star running around the country and Europe with his teleprompter showing off his oratory skills and repeating the mantra of "hope and change," he still could not quite be guaranteed to seal the deal.
Even though most people don't know about this electronic run exposed in this interview on C-SPAN, now we can look back and see the rhetoric that ensued. What really happened in those meetings conducted by Paulson, Bernecke, and Geightner where everyone came out ready to push the panic button? What is it that the "Feds" know that we as taxpayers don't?
The rhetroic was "crisis, crisis, crisis; if we survive; talk of if we don't act boldly and swiftly, there could be martial law." Bush bought into it too.
I always thought it strange that McCain was highly criticized that he suspended his campaign to go back as a seated Senator to address the situation, while Obama was praised for being cool as a cucumber and staying on the campaign trail, saying, if you need me, just let me know, and I'll be there. (Jack, I know there's a song there.) Smile. He still seems to be in nothing but campaign mode, and to me appears to not have a clue as to what is going on. During his campaign, many of us referred to his as a "puppet." I still cannot shake that feeling.
I think there was a lot that went into electing this guy. And I think that the mantra really should be changed from "hope and change" to "the ends justifies the means." What is the end game of this guy? He says he wants to change America. Into what? Who is pulling his strings?
And now we are being told that, hey, we take that all back -- the economy really ain't that bad.
Tea party, anyone???
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Post by bruce on Mar 13, 2009 19:32:57 GMT -5
Nikki=McCain was rightly criticized .The American people were not fooled.He didn't "suspend" his campaign;he was running ads and surrogates,including Palin,were campaigning on his behalf.He rushed back to DC and sat there like a bump on a log.Nobody wanted or needed him there.It came off as a cheap stunt and made him look like a easily panicked hothead.It was a major mistake.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Mar 13, 2009 21:03:46 GMT -5
"I always thought it strange that McCain was highly criticized that he suspended his campaign to go back as a seated Senator to address the situation, while Obama was praised for being cool as a cucumber and staying on the campaign trail." I think what people saw was that every republican in the meeting deferred to McCain who had nothing. The democrats yielded to Obama who delivered their position. When Obama gave McCain another chance to put in his two cents McCain deferred again. What struck most of us was that McCain was suspending his campaign to essentially do nothing. Regarding the 550 billion dollar run on the banks there is more than one person oyut there who do not believe it really happened. Does it seem logical and reasonable that a half a trillion was withdrawn and there were not bigger ripples? Does the story have anything more than this one televised interview with someone who has done this before? Even if you look at the stories in the NY papers that reported it you will find them very short on sources willing to go on the record. To take that story and try to build a conspiracy out of it sounds like something even Corsi would be afraid to touch. Heres a link to one counter argument: sweetness-light.com/archive/500b-run-on-banks-didnt-happen
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Post by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 1:59:32 GMT -5
Okay. Let's take McCain and Obama out of the equation. How about we haul the "Feds" into a hearing under oath before a panel of American taxpayers?
I repeat, "Tea Party, anyone?"
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Post by lou on Mar 14, 2009 17:22:49 GMT -5
Curious, isn't it? I look at the timing of it. At that time, while Obama had become quite the rock star running around the country and Europe with his teleprompter showing off his oratory skills and repeating the mantra of "hope and change," he still could not quite be guaranteed to seal the deal. Even though most people don't know about this electronic run exposed in this interview on C-SPAN, now we can look back and see the rhetoric that ensued. What really happened in those meetings conducted by Paulson, Bernecke, and Geightner where everyone came out ready to push the panic button? What is it that the "Feds" know that we as taxpayers don't? The rhetroic was "crisis, crisis, crisis; if we survive; talk of if we don't act boldly and swiftly, there could be martial law." Bush bought into it too. I always thought it strange that McCain was highly criticized that he suspended his campaign to go back as a seated Senator to address the situation, while Obama was praised for being cool as a cucumber and staying on the campaign trail, saying, if you need me, just let me know, and I'll be there. (Jack, I know there's a song there.) Smile. He still seems to be in nothing but campaign mode, and to me appears to not have a clue as to what is going on. During his campaign, many of us referred to his as a "puppet." I still cannot shake that feeling. I think there was a lot that went into electing this guy. And I think that the mantra really should be changed from "hope and change" to "the ends justifies the means." What is the end game of this guy? He says he wants to change America. Into what? Who is pulling his strings? And now we are being told that, hey, we take that all back -- the economy really ain't that bad. Tea party, anyone??? Nikki, isn't it interesting that R Emanuel said "let's not waste this crisis" or words to that effect. The 2 men who benefited the most from this economic crisis are Warren Buffet and Georgie Soros! And both advise O! Warren Buffet did an op/ed piece and said O needs to give "hope" back to the people! So what does O do, "people relax have some positive thoughts" or words to that effect.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Mar 14, 2009 20:13:16 GMT -5
Somebody blink....
One of you go ahead and put it out there. Do you think that the money market funds were manipulated in order to get Obama elected? These are institutions who are holding most of these funds so you are I guess suggesting that all the major financial institutions decided to get Obama elected and were willing to let their shares go under a dollar to do it. Look at the timeline and you will see that once Lehmann took a dive everyone holding their money market shares immediately cashed out. Since financial institutions have as part of their holdings the other financial institutions notes they must have all been willing to write down their values to get Obama elected or to make McCain look bad. Does this really sound logical, does it pass Occams razor. Sounds like the birth certificate conspiracy to me. How quickly things change when the other guy wins the election. I do not think you need to put so much energy into chasing your windmills. They are stationary objects even though the earth is turning. I think we are seeing the early symptoms of Obama Derangement Syndrome.
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Post by bruce on Mar 14, 2009 20:58:15 GMT -5
Well said larry.I never heard of this nonsense until it popped up here.It sounds fishy to me.
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Post by CM on Mar 15, 2009 1:21:25 GMT -5
After watching the video I was disappointed the interviewer did not ask “why.” It is curious Malkin, Drudge and even Texas Darlin made no mention of the $550 billion caper, at least I could not find anything on their sites. I did find dozens of other sites.
Kanjorski speaks cavalierly and unconvincingly of the incident. It just does not add up. But is the government capable of a cover-up, you betcha.
Could it be the subprime mortgage “crisis” was simply a load of crap from the beginning and the story was quickly wrapped together to cover what was really going on?
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Post by nikki on Mar 15, 2009 14:29:12 GMT -5
CM,
That's the problem; nobody knows who to trust.
For example, after running around yelling all variations of the word "crisis," today on this morning's Sunday "news" programs per the AP (Philip Elliott): "Obama aides reverse campaign rhetoric, call general economic conditions fundamentally sound."
McCain got hammered for using that rhetoric during the final days of the campaign.
Lou and Hatch brought up George Soros. I encourage everyone to do some research on this guy. It is amazing to see the tenacles he has into U.S. politics.
Larry,
I am not starting any conspiracy theory here. We just opened this up for discussion. Thanks for posting your article by Conde Nast. I did find it curious that the last sentence in that article is, "Of course, we would still like to know where Mr. Soros fits into the current financial crisis."
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Post by CM on Mar 15, 2009 15:52:59 GMT -5
Thanks for posting your article by Conde Nast. I did find it curious that the last sentence in that article is, "Of course, we would still like to know where Mr. Soros fits into the current financial crisis." Their version of a disclaimer
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