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Post by dolphie on Sept 17, 2009 20:40:24 GMT -5
What a gentleman! No wonder JG likes to hang on the sofa with you! *GRIN* My post count is fine so he must have annuder buddie that he can keep up with Don't even try cootie man... Gentleman leads to why you have such an affinity towards sharing JD's sofa. His post count was addressed differently.
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Post by johng on Sept 18, 2009 16:23:44 GMT -5
Former CIA Directors: Holder's Investigation Could "Help Al Qaeda"Letter to Obama Warns That The Investigation Will Hinder The CIA's Counter-Terrorism EffortsBy JONATHAN KARL Sept. 18, 2009 Seven former CIA directors have asked President Obama to use his authority to reverse Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to re-open the criminal investigation into the CIA's post 9/11 interrogations of suspected terrorists. Attorney General Eric Holder (AP)Over-ruling an attorney general on a criminal investigation would be an extraordinary move, but the former directors contend Holder's investigation will ultimately "help Al Qaeda elude U.S. intelligence and plan future operations." The letter sent to the president on Friday was signed by CIA directors who served under Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. The letter warns that the investigation will hinder the CIA's counter-terrorism efforts by discouraging risk-taking by agents now in the field, publicly revealing more information about the CIA's operations, and hindering relations with foreign intelligence agencies. The former directors contend that Holder's investigation could "help Al Qaeda." www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-holders-investigation-hurts-us-counter-terrorism-effort/story?id=8614065Its safe to read, its from ABC News...
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Post by jdredd on Sept 18, 2009 16:34:44 GMT -5
The CIA must be held accountable for it's actions just like every other government body. If you don't like the ground rules, get the hell out.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Sept 18, 2009 17:07:24 GMT -5
Navy to choose one prime contractor to continue LCS production The Second in Class is all First Class. Word I got from a Navy buddy is GD/Austal is a full length in front of the other guy. It really is a sports car. Zoom, baby, zoom.
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Post by johng on Sept 18, 2009 17:36:45 GMT -5
Navy to choose one prime contractor to continue LCS production The Second in Class is all First Class. Word I got from a Navy buddy is GD/Austal is a full length in front of the other guy. It really is a sports car. Zoom, baby, zoom. My sources are similar but I never spend the money until the contract gets signed...
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Post by dolphie on Sept 18, 2009 18:37:38 GMT -5
The CIA must be held accountable for it's actions just like every other government body. If you don't like the ground rules, get the hell out. Prove to me that the CIA did anything that was not for our country's best interests. And please... do not use that balogne about waterboarding as IMNSHO THAT is not torture. If our military is put through waterboarding for their training, it is not torture.
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Post by lou on Sept 18, 2009 18:43:35 GMT -5
One of the stories conservatives mislead themselves with is that they are "strong" on defense and the Democrats are "weak". Well, this is a misreading of the actual situation for many reasons, one of which is what I have claimed for a while now: that the "strongest" military is of no use if not used wisely. For instance, Spain was the world's greatest power in 1588 when the Armada sailed against England. But poor strategy left the Armada in tatters and England as the new #1 power. The fact is shrewdness is much more important than numbers, and America's military has been being used stupidly for decades. What Democrats want is a military that gets a bigger bang for a lot less bucks...not one that is an endless ATM for Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and General Dynamics. Is that so bad? Actually Spain lost its advantage as a "sea power!" It was a storm off the Irish coast that destroyed the Armada and not British naval power which also suffered naval losses.
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Post by lou on Sept 18, 2009 18:50:20 GMT -5
Whether we should have been there or not is a different topic, jdredd. I am not sure I would debate that point. If I have my facts straight (it has been a long day with 3 hrs sleep so I might be a bit off) France pulled us into that war. My point is this: Once in war - let the military handle it. NOT the politicians. Equally important - Respect and take care of our military. Those youngsters are placing their YOUNG lives on the line for ALL of us. They are amazing! I do agree with the rest of what you said re: keeping the industrial base going and our military's hardware/etc in good shape, innovative and efficiently effective. One good thing (if there is anything good in war) is that our military has learned new tactics and is streamlined again. I do not like the shoddy shape much of their equipment is in though (based upon talking to many who have been here supplying them and those in Iraq/elsewhere). How about if we tar & feather the whole lot of politicians? Excellent points! This is why Ike was so successful in the WW II European theatre. FDR allowed him to plan strategy and tactics, offering him support but no management details.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 18, 2009 19:19:22 GMT -5
One of the stories conservatives mislead themselves with is that they are "strong" on defense and the Democrats are "weak". Well, this is a misreading of the actual situation for many reasons, one of which is what I have claimed for a while now: that the "strongest" military is of no use if not used wisely. For instance, Spain was the world's greatest power in 1588 when the Armada sailed against England. But poor strategy left the Armada in tatters and England as the new #1 power. The fact is shrewdness is much more important than numbers, and America's military has been being used stupidly for decades. What Democrats want is a military that gets a bigger bang for a lot less bucks...not one that is an endless ATM for Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and General Dynamics. Is that so bad? Actually Spain lost its advantage as a "sea power!" It was a storm off the Irish coast that destroyed the Armada and not British naval power which also suffered naval losses. 'Tis true, m'lady...
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Post by johng on Sept 18, 2009 19:43:28 GMT -5
Actually Spain lost its advantage as a "sea power!" It was a storm off the Irish coast that destroyed the Armada and not British naval power which also suffered naval losses. 'Tis true, m'lady... What was that saying Ronald Reagan used...Democrats knowing stuff that isn't ...?
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Post by Turk on Sept 18, 2009 20:22:27 GMT -5
One of the stories conservatives mislead themselves with is that they are "strong" on defense and the Democrats are "weak". Well, this is a misreading of the actual situation for many reasons, one of which is what I have claimed for a while now: that the "strongest" military is of no use if not used wisely. For instance, Spain was the world's greatest power in 1588 when the Armada sailed against England. But poor strategy left the Armada in tatters and England as the new #1 power. The fact is shrewdness is much more important than numbers, and America's military has been being used stupidly for decades. What Democrats want is a military that gets a bigger bang for a lot less bucks...not one that is an endless ATM for Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and General Dynamics. Is that so bad? Actually Spain lost its advantage as a "sea power!" It was a storm off the Irish coast that destroyed the Armada and not British naval power which also suffered naval losses. Lou, you have done this many times how do ya know all this stuff? Maybe the better question is how do you remember all this stuff?
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Post by jdredd on Sept 19, 2009 2:27:52 GMT -5
The CIA must be held accountable for it's actions just like every other government body. If you don't like the ground rules, get the hell out. Prove to me that the CIA did anything that was not for our country's best interests. And please... do not use that balogne about waterboarding as IMNSHO THAT is not torture. If our military is put through waterboarding for their training, it is not torture. Defining torture is not cut-and-dried it's true. Lots of room for disagreement. Maybe the CIA is innocent of anything. Only a trial can determine that. But if laws were broken, justice must prevail.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 19, 2009 2:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by dolphie on Sept 19, 2009 12:06:02 GMT -5
Prove to me that the CIA did anything that was not for our country's best interests. And please... do not use that balogne about waterboarding as IMNSHO THAT is not torture. If our military is put through waterboarding for their training, it is not torture. Defining torture is not cut-and-dried it's true. Lots of room for disagreement. Maybe the CIA is innocent of anything. Only a trial can determine that. But if laws were broken, justice must prevail. JD - it is not only double jeopardy - they have been reviewed by the DOJ and others, one was found guilty and punished - it is about politics. It is political posturing by an increasingly apparent ill-informed administration. I understand that you are a peacenik... this goes beyond peaceniks... this is placing our country in jeopardy, it is placing our gov't in a position of committing double jeopardy, it is strictly a hateful agenda driven move. If you cannot see that - I am severely disappointed. Then again - next time you are charged for something you did not do, you go through the judicial process and are found not guilty - let them come back and re-charge you.
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Post by jdredd on Sept 19, 2009 18:23:56 GMT -5
The CIA is nothing if not all about politics. And where the true jeopardy is coming from is in the eye of the beholder.
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