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Post by johng on Oct 5, 2009 15:24:07 GMT -5
To borrow your phrase..."Wake me when its over". I have suspicion that we are housing some of our Nukes in Isreal just for good measure, of course to say that feeds the conspiracy so don't share it with anyone - ok.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 5, 2009 16:27:14 GMT -5
Hmmmmm...you may be on to something with this one. In fact, Israel's nukes may have "Made in USA" on them.
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Post by johng on Oct 5, 2009 17:58:37 GMT -5
Hmmmmm...you may be on to something with this one. In fact, Israel's nukes may have "Made in USA" on them. I don't know, but I certainly hope so and I hope one of them has Almadenahjad's picture on it!
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Post by jdredd on Oct 6, 2009 20:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on Oct 6, 2009 20:19:26 GMT -5
As typical with his hypocritical ilk, Murdoch's on his third wife. And of course he is 38 years older than his newest.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 6, 2009 21:45:45 GMT -5
And Murdoch is responsible for each and every article written or report given within companies he owns? As much as you appear to despise Israel - you prompt me to ask: Are you an anti-semite?
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Post by jdredd on Oct 6, 2009 22:48:34 GMT -5
Ah-ha. The old anti-semite charge for anyone who disagrees with Israel's creation. (Did you know Zionism was controversial even among Jews?) How can I disprove it? It's like disproving you're a racist. All I can say is my solution to the Israel problem was giving the Jews Nevada. But my concern has been that in so tying the fate of Jews to the fate of Israel that when Israel goes down, the Jews will go with it. So I have always asked: Will Judaism survive Zionism?
Murdoch may not be responsible for everything that is said in his evil media empire...but he can shut it down and stop it's destructive ways, which is what I'd have him do if I had a magic wand. Meanwhile, all I can hope for is him to retire and his empire comes apart.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 6, 2009 23:04:29 GMT -5
Ah-ha. The old anti-semite charge for anyone who disagrees with Israel's creation. (Did you know Zionism was controversial even among Jews?) How can I disprove it? It's like disproving you're a racist. All I can say is my solution to the Israel problem was giving the Jews Nevada. But my concern has been that in so tying the fate of Jews to the fate of Israel that when Israel goes down, the Jews will go with it. So I have always asked: Will Judaism survive Zionism? Murdoch may not be responsible for everything that is said in his evil media empire...but he can shut it down and stop it's destructive ways, which is what I'd have him do if I had a magic wand. Meanwhile, all I can hope for is him to retire and his empire comes apart. It is not a matter of what others say, JD. I am just curious. What I have read from you appears to be against Israelis. From a typically anti-war focused person, it is an odd observation. As far as what constitutes anti-semitism, I thought that was typically directed towards blacks and southern whites. I do not consider the Jews of this country to be the same as the Israelis. They may be related genetically but they are a different people quite often taking opposing stances. From what you say about Murdoch - I should say the same about the HuffPo, the DailyKos, MoveOn.org, etc. The WSJ is a business journal and should be focused on capitalism and not emotionalism. There is no pretense.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 6, 2009 23:17:50 GMT -5
I don't believe the creation of Israel was justified, even by the Holocaust. If the land had been unpopulated it wouldn't have been a problem. I'm not sure what being anti-war has to do with it.
Nor am I sure what discrimination against blacks and southern whites has to do with anti-semitism. They are not Semites.
And while Jews of this country are not Israelis, if Judaism is too identified with Israel, then if the Israelis do something that brings on the condemnation of the world, then Jews in America will suffer too.
I'm sure you feel about the left media the same I feel about Murdoch's empire. I think the WSJ, like every other media, has an agenda, which is probably Murdoch's.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 7, 2009 0:12:04 GMT -5
I don't believe the creation of Israel was justified, even by the Holocaust. If the land had been unpopulated it wouldn't have been a problem. I'm not sure what being anti-war has to do with it. Nor am I sure what discrimination against blacks and southern whites has to do with anti-semitism. They are not Semites. And while Jews of this country are not Israelis, if Judaism is too identified with Israel, then if the Israelis do something that brings on the condemnation of the world, then Jews in America will suffer too. I'm sure you feel about the left media the same I feel about Murdoch's empire. I think the WSJ, like every other media, has an agenda, which is probably Murdoch's. I do not wish the other media be wiped from the face of communications. I do not wish their leaders to die. I do believe that each to their own in that which they wish to read. Guess you libbies do not think the same. There has been a lot of back and forth with the lands that belonged to the Israelis throughout time. Including the thievery on the part of the Muslims as a whole. I need to re-read some of the books I have on this but, timeline wise - do not believe Lawrence of Arabia or T.S. Eliot's versions of what occurred or did not occur. What was given back to the Israelis/Judeans in 1947 & 1949 has been slowly chipped away at by the Muslim nations. That land was Israel and Judah until the Assyrians and Babylonians invaded the lands. Even then the Israelis/Judeans occupied the lands as well. When the Muslims invaded - the Israelis/Judeans were massacred (because Mohammed was upset that the Israelis/Judeans would not bow to him and adore him), yet those that survived still lived in those lands. They were quite innovative. They would build up from nothing - only to have the muslims come steal it from them as they beat/killed/raped them and their families. ***GRUMBLE GRUMBLE Turk! This ate a really good outline with dates, etc, written off the cuff and quite informative. GRUMBLE GRR GRR** **kicks the darn board a good one**
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Post by johng on Oct 7, 2009 12:27:09 GMT -5
As typical with his hypocritical ilk, Murdoch's on his third wife. And of course he is 38 years older than his newest. JD if your going to make the plunge 3 times then you either find a Yia Yia like I did or you stay as far away from a Challenge as possible like Murdoch - Basic Science and promotable Biology if you axe me
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Post by bruce on Oct 8, 2009 19:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by johng on Oct 8, 2009 19:40:32 GMT -5
It is a well written article and lets all hope that the positive points of the Obama plan work, otherwise we are in deep KimChee.
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Post by jdredd on Oct 8, 2009 23:13:27 GMT -5
Sounds like "Business as Usual" in the Mideast to me; the only difference is that the author makes Obama sound more competent than Bush, which even I think is yet to be proven. The fact that Netanyahu came away from the UN more "satisfied" than Abbas means nothing has changed in the last 60 years.
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Post by johng on Oct 9, 2009 18:09:26 GMT -5
Sounds like "Business as Usual" in the Mideast to me; the only difference is that the author makes Obama sound more competent than Bush, which even I think is yet to be proven. The fact that Netanyahu came away from the UN more "satisfied" than Abbas means nothing has changed in the last 60 years. Talk to us in 4 years and tell us what has changed other than the lower weight of your wallet!
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