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Post by johng on Aug 19, 2009 20:17:03 GMT -5
The gestation and birth of a nation is long and painful, however we can no longer be the midwife. I’ve said long ago - enough, we can pack up and leave the country tonight for all I care. You can lead a country to freedom but you cannot make them partake. 100’s of 1,000’s will die upon our departure, not our fault we’ve given Iraqi enough. Turk you know we hate it when you mince words so just say it man
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Post by Jack on Aug 19, 2009 20:18:48 GMT -5
Well, we should get Pelosi and Reid working on this right away. Maybe Barney Frank could head up a fact finding mission to Iraq. Maybe someone else could go to the UK and find out why they let so many anti gay Muslims into their country and why we seem to want to emulate them.
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Post by johng on Aug 19, 2009 20:21:53 GMT -5
If I were wagering a bet I would put my money on Reid being a little rainbow just waiting to bloom so him on over with Barney.
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Post by jdredd on Aug 19, 2009 20:26:05 GMT -5
I am surprised that this is a shocker to anyone. Muslims do not accept homosexuality any more than they support women's rights. That is what is so intriguing about the lefties drive to support the extremists. Do they not comprehend how drastically their lives will be changed? We do not support the extremists. We just oppose strategies that make things worse.
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Post by dolphie on Aug 19, 2009 20:26:13 GMT -5
The gestation and birth of a nation is long and painful, however we can no longer be the midwife. I’ve said long ago - enough, we can pack up and leave the country tonight for all I care. You can lead a country to freedom but you cannot make them partake. 100’s of 1,000’s will die upon our departure, not our fault we’ve given Iraqi enough. Turk you know we hate it when you mince words so just say it man Any residual guilt I might have felt for the Iraqi people that were left vulnerable by US politics during the Saddam Hussein reign of terror has been assuaged. They have made it very clear that the sacrifices made on the part of our young, brave military are not of consequence. The modernization of Iraq in areas Saddam had stripped has gone unheeded. Let them fight their own battles.
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Post by dolphie on Aug 19, 2009 20:27:38 GMT -5
I am surprised that this is a shocker to anyone. Muslims do not accept homosexuality any more than they support women's rights. That is what is so intriguing about the lefties drive to support the extremists. Do they not comprehend how drastically their lives will be changed? We do not support the extremists. We just oppose strategies that make things worse. jdredd, it is not just the extremists who are anti-gay and minimal rights for females. It is their belief system in general.
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Post by jdredd on Aug 19, 2009 20:27:55 GMT -5
Turk you know we hate it when you mince words so just say it man Any residual guilt I might have felt for the Iraqi people that were left vulnerable by US politics during the Saddam Hussein reign of terror has been assuaged. They have made it very clear that the sacrifices made on the part of our young, brave military are not of consequence. The modernization of Iraq in areas Saddam had stripped has gone unheeded. Let them fight their own battles. AMEN.
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Post by Turk on Aug 19, 2009 20:30:18 GMT -5
The gestation and birth of a nation is long and painful, however we can no longer be the midwife. I’ve said long ago - enough, we can pack up and leave the country tonight for all I care. You can lead a country to freedom but you cannot make them partake. 100’s of 1,000’s will die upon our departure, not our fault we’ve given Iraqi enough. Turk you know we hate it when you mince words so just say it man Hey I supported Ron Paul
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Post by dolphie on Aug 19, 2009 23:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on Aug 20, 2009 20:04:09 GMT -5
Ron Paul is a putz. And a utopian dreamer. And I hate all that New Age Anarchist stuff called Libertarianism. Well, most of it. They are OK on drugs and abortion.
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Post by bruce on Aug 20, 2009 20:22:07 GMT -5
Ron Paul is a putz. And a utopian dreamer. And I hate all that New Age Anarchist stuff called Libertarianism. Well, most of it. They are OK on drugs and abortion. If you think the Democrats and Republicans are disorganized and dysfuncional, the libertarians make them look like the symbols of organization. They can not even agree on a candidate and sometimes have two presidential candidates representing two factions, with other factions not supporting either.
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Post by Turk on Aug 20, 2009 20:29:26 GMT -5
For starters Ron Paul is not a libertarian, Paul had some excellent ideas that resonated with the educated youth but maybe you were asleep then. But it does not matter the worst of the worst were picked to run.
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Post by Tired in CV on Aug 20, 2009 20:44:43 GMT -5
Another disturbing development in Iraq has been an apparent "crackdown" on homosexuals, not by the government but by militant Islamic groups. Bodies have been showing up of known gays all over Bagdad, some multilated. Sorry, I saw this a couple days ago and forget where. That is not surprising at all. The radical Muslims have projected their feeling about numerous issues, including gays, and they don't paint a good picture. Yet, everyone wants to back away and then they will have their way. Once they establish a firm base, they will continue to spread throughout the region (think Pakistan). They are looking for world dominance. Let them get established and you will have a fight on your hands. Yes, they will be bringing this to America and it may be quite soon too! I hope they try it BEFORE Obama has a chance to reduce our military! I hope you enjoy living under Marshall Law, it may be necessary to minimize the violence! But, as the talking points go, it doesn't matter what they do to themselves over there, it isn't any of OUR business! Let's bring home our troops! Afghanistan will follow suit as the terrorists know how to defeat us with the media!
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Post by Tired in CV on Aug 20, 2009 20:51:48 GMT -5
Ron Paul is a putz. And a utopian dreamer. And I hate all that New Age Anarchist stuff called Libertarianism. Well, most of it. They are OK on drugs and abortion. They can not even agree on a candidate and sometimes have two presidential candidates representing two factions, with other factions not supporting either. Sounds like the Democrats and Republicans to me. I think I will have to look at them more carefully, it is time to strengthen a 3rd party!
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Post by dolphie on Aug 20, 2009 21:12:08 GMT -5
They can not even agree on a candidate and sometimes have two presidential candidates representing two factions, with other factions not supporting either. Sounds like the Democrats and Republicans to me. I think I will have to look at them more carefully, it is time to strengthen a 3rd party! I realize many think a 3rd party cannot win - I think this time one might. There is a party - constitutionalists - that _might_ be worthy, I am just not sure yet. I read a bit on them but some of their ideology was a bit wacky. That was around a year ago. The Libertarian party has some very good things in their corner. Ron Paul had some good things to say - yet there were other areas I disagreed with him. Independents are sort of odd as well. I am not in tune with the current GOP - the country club blue bloods are just as guilty of selling out our country as the Leftists are. The Democrat party is no longer the party for the people - it is the Socialist party through and through. No wonder the good ones like Zell Miller got out of the party. As he said - he did not leave the Dems - they left him. I think the same is with the GOP. If they continue with the middle of the road cater to everyone, they will lose a majority of us. You can please some of the people some of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, you can NOT please ALL of the people ALL of the time. The GOP is so mixed up in its identity right now - they are lost. That is why I think BO is good for our country. He has made it blatantly obvious that politicians do not care about people. They care about power. They want all of our hard earned dollars and they want us to bow at their feet. People are re-looking at our country and what we want within our country. People are seeing how bad it has become and how sneakily it occurred. The people are not looking at Party so much as they are looking at our Country.
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