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Post by tpfkalarry on Jul 19, 2015 11:09:06 GMT -5
I don't exactly know what someone has to do in order to be considered a war hero, nor do I think you have to be a war hero to be heroic. You could argue that anyone who leaves their families to go to parts unknown and put themselves in harms way is acting heroic. Not that I think everyone who got a deferment from service, even those that may have done so because they were fortunate to be born to wealthy families, is a coward; but it seems there has to be a line drawn somewhere. No matter what I think of John McCain's ideology or politics, the man certainly qualifies as someone who behaved heroically and put the needs of his comrades ahead of his own. He knowingly accepted years and years of mental and physical torture that he could have easily avoided and still carries the scars of that choice. There are thousands of bones you can pick with McCain, Palin notwithstanding, but suggesting that he comes up short of courage because he was shot down, is ridiculous. This is swift-boating all over again. You have to be some kind of arrogant to sit on a record of student and medical deferments and take shots at someone like McCain based on his record of service. Could you imagine a president who prefers soldiers who didn't get wounded? Someday we are going to need our best and brightest to defend us and they are going to rightfully question our commitment to protect and support them when they return.
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Post by Turk on Jul 19, 2015 13:19:50 GMT -5
I don't exactly know what someone has to do in order to be considered a war hero, nor do I think you have to be a war hero to be heroic. You could argue that anyone who leaves their families to go to parts unknown and put themselves in harms way is acting heroic. Not that I think everyone who got a deferment from service, even those that may have done so because they were fortunate to be born to wealthy families, is a coward; but it seems there has to be a line drawn somewhere. No matter what I think of John McCain's ideology or politics, the man certainly qualifies as someone who behaved heroically and put the needs of his comrades ahead of his own. He knowingly accepted years and years of mental and physical torture that he could have easily avoided and still carries the scars of that choice. There are thousands of bones you can pick with McCain, Palin notwithstanding, but suggesting that he comes up short of courage because he was shot down, is ridiculous. This is swift-boating all over again. You have to be some kind of arrogant to sit on a record of student and medical deferments and take shots at someone like McCain based on his record of service. Could you imagine a president who prefers soldiers who didn't get wounded? Someday we are going to need our best and brightest to defend us and they are going to rightfully question our commitment to protect and support them when they return. Not sure either. Heroic seems easier to define than hero. No question in my mind McCain was heroic but hero, I’m not sure. A solider jumping on a grenade to save the lives of his platoon is certainly more than heroic. I do think you have misunderstood Trump’s statement about McCain but so did the Times and Post. Trump and McCain have been sparring for some time. McCain’s characterization Trump followers are crazies and Trump firing back that McCain was last in his class at Annapolis. Trump did say McCain is “not a war hero.” Then Trump immediately corrected himself stating four times McCain is a war hero. Trump did not say, “McCain is not a war hero because he was captured.” Back to Trump. He strikes fear in the GOP. He’s hijacked the party. And he continues to hint at a third party run. Ross Perot déjà vu. What we are seeing is growing frustration in the country. Even Sanders is gaining ground on Hillary, howbeit ever so slightly. American’s are sick and tired being told what to think and say. Under Bush you were unpatriotic if you spoke out against the wars. And in the Obama administration any criticism earns you a racist brand. Oh well. Another day, another Trump controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 17:30:36 GMT -5
Juan McShame to me is no war hero! He is the biggest piece of Crap! Even POW's think differently He was a collaborator NV Inkeepers. Even the Military will cover up his record! Just because his daddy is a admiral.
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Post by Turk on Jul 21, 2015 20:00:49 GMT -5
b I had problems with the vid you posted. Seemed to me it was swift-boatiing but after some research there is more to the story than I have believed. Research reveals McCain made a deal with the VC. I'm conflicted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:36:40 GMT -5
b I had problems with the vid you posted. Seemed to me it was swift-boatiing but after some research there is more to the story than I have believed. Research reveals McCain made a deal with the VC. I'm conflicted. Yep Turk! Obummer and McShame are 2 peas in a pod! They both try to keep their skeletons locked in their closets. Thats why Independent source will uncover the Truth that liberal Media and FOX refuse to do!
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Post by jdredd on Jul 21, 2015 20:55:52 GMT -5
Hey, I'm back! Well kinda sorta back, maybe 90% back. Hard to say.
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Post by Turk on Jul 21, 2015 23:01:44 GMT -5
Hey, I'm back! Well kinda sorta back, maybe 90% back. Hard to say. Ha 90% is an improvement.
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Post by Turk on Jul 22, 2015 17:48:16 GMT -5
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Post by Turk on Jul 22, 2015 19:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on Jul 24, 2015 12:53:28 GMT -5
Lest we forget: The last time the GOP ran a clown for President, he was their most successful President since Lincoln.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jul 24, 2015 15:34:52 GMT -5
Larry, I think you are right that you can't describe a population by these numbers. Particularly these numbers. I think it should be understood that the GAO figures posted by Turk are about sex crimes committed by illegals in a few states, not all crimes that are committed by illegals in those states.
Having said that, I have no comment about Trump at this time. I don't like his comments about his competition and that makes me wonder how he would do on the international stage. Would a Russian president, for example, or an Iranian cleric embrace him or nuke him? How about Turkey? They recently not only allowed US war planes to stage attacks on ISIS from Turkish airfields, they even flew some of their own sorties. I need to see if his keel is reset.
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Post by jdredd on Jul 25, 2015 17:42:34 GMT -5
www.businessinsider.com/poll-donald-trump-leads-jeb-bush-scott-walker-2015-7"A new Economist/YouGov poll released on Friday actually showed Trump gaining support in the last week, despite a controversy over his comments questioning Sen. John McCain's (R-Arizona) status as a "war hero." According to the poll, the number of registered Republican primary voters who responded that Trump is their first choice jumped from 15% at the beginning of July to 28% last week. Another 10% of voters pick him as their second choice." And here I thought this election would be a boring Clinton vs. Bush matp, the DINO vs. the RINO. Probably still will be, but let's enjoy the circus in the meanwhile!
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Post by jdredd on Jul 30, 2015 18:16:08 GMT -5
www.nationalreview.com/article/421825/donald-trump-foreign-policy-middle-east-oil"Since announcing his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, Donald Trump has made clear that he’s a different kind of candidate. He’s loud, he’s brash, and he’s got an uncanny ability to spark outrage and controversy just by opening his mouth. His is a reality-show candidacy for a reality-show age, and his pitch to voters fits it to a tee: heavy on personality and light on policy. Those stances he does take have a superficial populist appeal — quite a substantial one if the polls are to be believed — but tend to fall apart on closer inspection. Case in point: American policy in the Middle East, where Trump has in recent years repeatedly endorsed the bizarre, bellicose fantasy that the U.S. could and should seize oil fields in Iraq and Libya." The Republicon establishment's campaign to discredit The Donald continues apace. Will they be able to do it and not harm the GOP brand? Will Jeb! get a crippled brand when he finally gets the nomination?
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Post by jdredd on Aug 3, 2015 19:34:38 GMT -5
onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/08/03/poll-trump-debate-format/"Meanwhile, Trump received the support of 26% of GOP voters, according to the poll. He was followed by Bush at 12% and Walker at 11%. He leads among both male and female Republicans, with men (32 percent) giving him a large advantage over Bush (13%) and Walker (11%). Women (20%) give him a narrower lead over Walker (12%) and Bush (11%)." Ha-ha! It's gotten even harder for the GOP establishment (by that I mean Jeb! supporters) to take down The Donald. My money is still on Jeb! but who knows? Maybe The Donald is the next Reagan. America loves clowns, especially American men. And you can be sure lots of them hate The Witch.
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Post by jdredd on Aug 7, 2015 14:26:44 GMT -5
www.politico.com/story/2015/08/politico-caucus-republican-debate-donald-trump-biggest-loser-121146.html?hp=t3_r"Donald Trump’s first presidential debate was a disaster. That’s the assessment of Republican insiders in this week’s POLITICO Caucus, our weekly bipartisan survey of the top strategists, activists and operatives in Iowa and New Hampshire. They offered their reactions immediately after watching Thursday’s 9 p.m. prime-time debate in Cleveland. Forty-four percent called the controversial real estate mogul the biggest loser of the evening, critiquing everything from his refusal to rule out a third party run, to perceived misogynistic comments to his acceptance of single-payer health care in other countries. “Trump is an egomaniacal thug and everyone who never watched The Apprentice now knows that, too,” an Iowa Republican charged. “What was his worst response: third party, chauvinism, single-payer, or bankruptcies?” railed a New Hampshire Republican, who like all participants was granted anonymity in order to speak freely. “His limited number of supporters can’t look the other way on this stuff forever.” As much as I think The Donald is an ignorant blowhard totally unqualified to be President, this kind of a hit piece on him rubs me the wrong way. The comments of these so-called "top" Republican activists who must remain anonymous is total bullshit in my book. Who knows if they really exist or is Politico just inventing them? How would we know? I smell Koch.
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