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Post by Turk on Feb 9, 2011 22:46:34 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what public opinion is if there is a lockout. I’m with you there. There will be a mixed bag but if management is smart they’ll be prepared to put an alternative product on the field and eat the lost revenues for a few years in the effort to bust the union. The union must be busted to start a level playing field. The public won't like it, you may call them scabs but all it will take is four years and 80% of those on the field today will be replaced anyway. The union has no control of those in college today. C'ya union. But then again greed is powerful.
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Post by dolphie on Feb 9, 2011 23:05:05 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what public opinion is if there is a lockout. I’m with you there. There will be a mixed bag but if management is smart they’ll be prepared to put an alternative product on the field and eat the lost revenues for a few years in the effort to bust the union. The union must be busted to start a level playing field. The public won't like it, you may call them scabs but all it will take is four years and 80% of those on the field today will be replaced anyway. The union has no control of those in college today. C'ya union. But then again greed is powerful. If the fans are able to attend games without going broke, if fans can go to games as a family without selling the family vehicle and if we can get back to solid playing instead of the feminizing of the sports - I am willing to bet the public will go along with the lockout. Most folks I know have pretty much said 'see ya' to pro sports as it is too costly to take the family these days. Remember when Saturday or Sunday afternoons were spent at ball games? Or Friday nights? Heck, people used to be able to bring their own food to the games as well - just make a picnic of it. And the players used to love the fans - they wanted to autograph items for the kids/big kids. They were pretty great folks as well - people to look up to... as opposed to the foul mouthed, drugged out, rude athletes of today. Yes... get rid of the unions and bring on common sense!
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Post by jdredd on Feb 22, 2011 12:46:15 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/sports/football/22NFLtwitter.html?_r=1&hpw“The NFL has reached that point where the kitchen sink is getting opened and every ridic claim will be tossed out,” Winston wrote on Twitter. “Enjoy the comedy people.” And then: “Walking out of a bargaining session. These guys are a real hoot to deal with. If anyone screams, ‘I want my cake and eat it too’ it’s them.” Winston is just one of the dozens of players and agents who have taken to Twitter during the N.F.L.’s labor strife, opining on everything from the court skirmish over how the N.F.L.’s television contracts were structured (@ericwinston) to the 18-game regular season (@robertmathis98) to players having to pay for their own health insurance if the league imposes a lockout when the current collective bargaining agreement expires March 4 (LeCharles Bentley, who on Twitter is @lecharlesbent65). " I wonder if the NFL's labor problem will be a 2012 election issue too? What I think the right forgets in it's new war on labor is while only 7% of workers are organized, there are also those who wish they were organized.
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 23, 2011 4:32:03 GMT -5
What I think the right forgets in it's new war on labor is while only 7% of workers are organized, there are also those who wish they were organized. They don't forget anything of the sort! The fact is there are so many jobs that one MUST be a union member to work. Many of those workers would prefer NOT to be a union member. Also, the MAJORITY of union workers are now PUBLIC EMPLOYEES because government can be bought through campaign donations, advertising, support, etc. It isn't a fair playing field when the unions have control of those who oversee the government workers. Negotiations fail to support the public in good faith! The next deadly sin of a politician will be that he is a union supporter! The people are waking up to the unions since they shifted their recruiting heavily towards government workers. NOW the unions are affecting the pocketbooks of the public DIRECTLY!
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Post by jdredd on Mar 1, 2011 14:54:36 GMT -5
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/01/nfl-lockout-football-economic-benefits_n_829615.html"WASHINGTON -- In the past two decades, National Football League owners have received at least $5 billion from local governments to build and maintain football stadiums for their lucrative franchises. The argument was almost always the same: With a little taxpayer investment, the city would get a big boost in economic activity. With no investment, the team would up and leave. With three days until the owners lock out the players for refusing to give up their claims to $1 billion of the sport's $9 billion in annual revenues, local officials and players are raising concerns that a canceled season could deprive cities of needed economic activity -- as much as $160 million per city, according to the NFL Players Association -- at the worst time possible. But now that the argument is working against it, the NFL calls such concerns "fairy tales."
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Post by Turk on Mar 1, 2011 15:43:12 GMT -5
As I said before the players will not get much fan support. Many if not most of the players make over a million a year and they want more of the pie. It comes down to greedy employees or greedy employers, it’s the employers money if the players don’t like it then go play NFL Europe. Like the teachers in Wisconsin there are 1,000’s ready to take the job(s)
It will be the players union that will be responsible for the loss of 1,000’s of workers that are barely making a living while the fat cat union bosses and players live a life of luxury.
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Post by jdredd on Jul 26, 2011 1:15:56 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-stadium-memo-20110726,0,212672.story 'The city's document came out hours after NFL owners ended the lockout of its players, reaching a tentative 10-year agreement. That development paves the way for AEG –- as well as backers of a competing stadium in the City of Industry –- to push ahead with efforts to secure a franchise." Is this where Spanos comes in on this dirty game?
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Post by Turk on Jul 26, 2011 15:31:31 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-stadium-memo-20110726,0,212672.story 'The city's document came out hours after NFL owners ended the lockout of its players, reaching a tentative 10-year agreement. That development paves the way for AEG –- as well as backers of a competing stadium in the City of Industry –- to push ahead with efforts to secure a franchise." Is this where Spanos comes in on this dirty game? I really don't care a whole lot about the Chargers but I do care what will happen to the SDSU Aztecs if the Chargers bolt. The stadium is old and crumbling. From the press level water can be seen dripping from cracks in concrete. It would not be surprising if the place is condemned in a few years.
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Post by Tired in CV on Jul 27, 2011 1:37:15 GMT -5
If the Chargers move to the new L.A. facilities, it will only be because the city San Diego officials are not serious about keeping the Chargers here. As Turk said, the stadium is aging and will need to be replaced or rendered as unsafe in a few years anyway. What is San Diego's long term plans for the stadium or that site? If San Diego wants to benefit from having a Super Bowl played in San Diego again, they will need a newer stadium. This one will not get another chance with all the improvements elsewhere. As far as L.A. goes, they will be shopping everywhere to get a team. They have a chance at wooing the Raiders back as much as they do the Chargers. There are also other teams looking for a newer stadium AND a better market!
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Post by jdredd on Aug 11, 2011 3:13:27 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-farmer-nfl-la-20110810,0,2690282.story "The 16-year drive to bring the NFL back to Los Angeles has finally entered the red zone. With the City Council voting 12-0 Tuesday to approve the framework of an AEG-backed downtown stadium deal, the prospect of the nation's No. 1 sport returning to the No. 2 market is more real than it has been in a decade." "If AEG has its way, a franchise will relocate to L.A. this spring, use the company's Home Depot Center as a training facility, and play in the Coliseum or Rose Bowl until Farmers Field is ready for the 2016 season." "First of all, the Spanos family won't give up controlling ownership of the team. Insiders say the family and Anstz are far apart on how much of the team he should own, and how much he should pay. He's looking for a deep discount, and Chargers President Dean Spanos isn't likely to go for that, no matter how dazzling the L.A. stadium might be." So Republican donor Spanos has to cut a deal with Republican donor Anstz? Sounds like the Gambinos cutting a deal with the Gottis...
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Post by jdredd on Aug 31, 2011 13:40:37 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0831-aeg-antonovich-20110831,0,5449816.story "Intensifying its push for an NFL stadium in downtown L.A., entertainment conglomerate Anstz Entertainment Group launched an unusually direct and public attack on one of the most prominent critics of the proposal. Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich had planned for the county board to take a position Tuesday opposing AEG's bid for special state protection against environmental lawsuits. But AEG revealed that his wife had been seeking hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting fees from the company's affiliate in Shanghai, posing a potential conflict of interest. Antonovich abruptly abandoned his proposal Tuesday, canceling the vote and handing AEG a victory." GOP donor Anshutz plays hardball...
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Post by jdredd on Sept 2, 2011 16:01:15 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-0902-stadium-legislation-20110902,0,759936.story "L.A. lawmakers try to sell NFL stadium plan to colleagues Legislation that would help Anstz Entertainment Group's effort to build a facility needs help from across the state, but two years after legislators waived rules for a City of Industry proposal, many lawmakers are skeptical." "AEG officials have told lawmakers that their stadium would create more than 10,000 jobs for the state's slumping economy and that failure to pass legislation by Sept. 9 would jeopardize the project. AEG officials were accompanied on visits to lawmakers' offices Thursday by business and union leaders, including Maria Elena Durazo, who heads the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor." "And though Chargers officials vow to keep the team in San Diego, legislators like Vargas are wary of giving Los Angeles an edge. "Are they going to take the Chargers?" he asked. "I'd like to know that. It makes a bit of a difference."
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Post by jdredd on Oct 2, 2011 3:04:37 GMT -5
www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/29/chargers-dolphins-game-blacked-out/"It's official: Sunday's Chargers-Dolphins game will be blacked out in San Diego and nearly all of Southern California. The Chargers announced at the 1:15 p.m. deadline Thursday that 6,500 general tickets remained unsold for the game. There were three blackouts of Chargers games last season. The blackout means San Diego will see only two NFL games during the day Sunday instead of four. KFMB Channel 8 no longer will be permitted to show Steelers-Texans at 10 a.m.; the CBS affiliate will air Patriots-Raiders at 1:15 p.m. The only 10 a.m. game Sunday will be Lions-Cowboys on Fox." Don't you love your city being manipulated like this? And the NFL has been specifically shielded from anti-monopoly laws by Congress.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Oct 3, 2011 17:16:31 GMT -5
That has been why it has been hard for me to be enthusiastic about pro ball any more. Sure, I check scores and what a bit when I can. But, I don't even waste any Trails End popcorn that the Boy Scouts sell this time of year.
I save that up for campaign season. Much funner and there is more gore.
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Post by dolphie on Oct 3, 2011 18:59:58 GMT -5
That has been why it has been hard for me to be enthusiastic about pro ball any more. Sure, I check scores and what a bit when I can. But, I don't even waste any Trails End popcorn that the Boy Scouts sell this time of year. I save that up for campaign season. Much funner and there is more gore. College football is the only football I watch any more. Pros are a bunch of whiney, arrogant, rude, prima donas.
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