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Post by jdredd on Jun 10, 2010 13:03:31 GMT -5
Should have know it was Krauthammer. My feeling is, if we really have to have more drilling, that we should have to do it right in the middle of human activity, and make people have to pay the price for their energy greed, rather than make innocent wildlife pay the price. The same with nuclear: don't put nuclear plants out in the middle of nowhere (such as Diablo Canyon), put them right in the center of cities, and let people see and worry about the costs of cheap energy.
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Post by johng on Jun 10, 2010 13:27:49 GMT -5
Should have know it was Krauthammer. My feeling is, if we really have to have more drilling, that we should have to do it right in the middle of human activity, and make people have to pay the price for their energy greed, rather than make innocent wildlife pay the price. The same with nuclear: don't put nuclear plants out in the middle of nowhere (such as Diablo Canyon), put them right in the center of cities, and let people see and worry about the costs of cheap energy. Oh please, please find oil in my back yard and start drilling NOW! All deposits go to Yia Yia cause I'll be fishing an golfing!
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Post by jdredd on Jun 10, 2010 13:33:25 GMT -5
Should have know it was Krauthammer. My feeling is, if we really have to have more drilling, that we should have to do it right in the middle of human activity, and make people have to pay the price for their energy greed, rather than make innocent wildlife pay the price. The same with nuclear: don't put nuclear plants out in the middle of nowhere (such as Diablo Canyon), put them right in the center of cities, and let people see and worry about the costs of cheap energy. Oh please, please find oil in my back yard and start drilling NOW! All deposits go to Yia Yia cause I'll be fishing an golfing! I hadn't even thought of that undeserved benefit!
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Post by johng on Jun 10, 2010 13:38:56 GMT -5
Oh please, please find oil in my back yard and start drilling NOW! All deposits go to Yia Yia cause I'll be fishing an golfing! I hadn't even thought of that undeserved benefit! yeah it came from my Liberal Side
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Post by dolphie on Jun 10, 2010 14:17:58 GMT -5
Should have know it was Krauthammer. My feeling is, if we really have to have more drilling, that we should have to do it right in the middle of human activity, and make people have to pay the price for their energy greed, rather than make innocent wildlife pay the price. The same with nuclear: don't put nuclear plants out in the middle of nowhere (such as Diablo Canyon), put them right in the center of cities, and let people see and worry about the costs of cheap energy. We have had oil rigs in the middle of humanity for quite some time. I take it you are not a native born californian or if you are you did not wander up Long Beach, CA way in the decades before the '90s. There were oil pumps all over the place in addition to the smell of oil. Wildlife is not innocent - or folks like you would not be aghast at that mean ol' orca mackin' down on those big eyed wittle seals/sea lions. Or the lions that take down a fawn... or the alligator that comps down on a sweet little puppy ... or the coyotes that LOVE the bait we give them that we call cats and ankle biters. What should be focused on is shoddy work, mismanagement and politics. Get to the source of the issue and not the symptoms.
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Post by Tired in CV on Jun 10, 2010 23:37:44 GMT -5
Should have know it was Krauthammer. My feeling is, if we really have to have more drilling, that we should have to do it right in the middle of human activity, and make people have to pay the price for their energy greed, rather than make innocent wildlife pay the price. The same with nuclear: don't put nuclear plants out in the middle of nowhere (such as Diablo Canyon), put them right in the center of cities, and let people see and worry about the costs of cheap energy. I have to laugh at this! It is the environmentalists and their bought/brainwashed politicians that have pushed drilling away from populated land development and nearby offshore locations. Most people would welcome the wells as another source of jobs in the community. Yes, there are some down sides as the smell may be a problem at times, but if you have lived near some farms, ranches or chemical plants, the smell from the drilling areas are almost like perfume! I have visited people whose neighbor's pets made their neighborhood smell worse. If drilling were to resume in areas prohibited as being to near people, we would probably add an additional 100,000 jobs to our economy. Of course, an additional refinery or two to go along with that drilling would be nice also! I have operated nuclear propulsion plants and would not have any problems with having a nuclear plant near my residence. It wouldn't be any worse than having a bunch of tract homes for miles around. Just like people don't like to live near a prison, I have lived near 2 of them and have never had any problems. BRING THEM ON!
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Post by jdredd on Sept 4, 2010 12:15:46 GMT -5
latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/09/interior-secretary-ken-salazar-offshore-oil-drilling-arctic-poll.html"Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is making it clear that he's in no hurry to open the door to new exploratory oil and gas drilling in the offshore Arctic -- not, he said, until more is known about the potential pitfalls." "Support for offshore drilling in the Arctic has slipped substantially since last September, according to surveys conducted by David Binder Research, dropping to 46% this year from 58% who in 2009 either strongly supported or somewhat supported new offshore operations." One reason why I vote Democratic is at least for the 4 years Obama is in office, the greedy lust for ever more oil will be slowed a bit...
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Post by jdredd on Jul 6, 2011 2:37:33 GMT -5
latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/07/exxon-pipeline-spill-on-yellowstone-river.html"Workers on Sunday attempted to limit the spread of an oil spill from an ExxonMobil pipeline in Montana's Yellowstone River, as state officials promised outraged residents more government oversight of the company-led cleanup. As much as 1,000 barrels, or 42,000 gallons, of oil spilled Saturday before the flow through the damaged pipeline was stopped, officials said."
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Post by jdredd on Sept 10, 2011 0:39:22 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/09/missing.oil.workers/index.html?hpt=hp_t2(CNN) -- Mexico's state-owned oil company searched in rough seas Friday for 10 workers missing from a U.S.-owned oil vessel in the tropical-storm-roiled Gulf of Mexico. The workers, contracted by Texas-based Geokinetics, abandoned ship Thursday afternoon after Tropical Storm Nate caused their liftboat to take on water in the Bay of Campeche, according to Brenda Taquino, spokeswoman for Geokinetics.
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Post by jdredd on Mar 10, 2012 16:14:19 GMT -5
www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2011/06/20116227153978324.html"Filmmakers: Niobe Thompson and Tom Radford The small town of Fort Chipewyan in northern Alberta is facing the consequences of being the first to witness the impact of the Tar Sands project, which may be the tipping point for oil development in Canada. The local community has experienced a spike in cancer cases and dire studies have revealed the true consequences of "dirty oil". Gripped in a Faustian pact with the American energy consumer, the Canadian government is doing everything it can to protect the dirtiest oil project ever known. In the following account, filmmaker Tom Radford describes witnessing a David and Goliath struggle."
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Post by jdredd on Mar 11, 2012 15:51:08 GMT -5
www.economist.com/node/21549936"Looking at nuclear power 26 years ago, this newspaper observed that the way forward for a somewhat moribund nuclear industry was “to get plenty of nuclear plants built, and then to accumulate, year after year, a record of no deaths, no serious accidents—and no dispute that the result is cheaper energy.” It was a fair assessment; but our conclusion that the industry was “safe as a chocolate factory” proved something of a hostage to fortune. Less than a month later one of the reactors at the Chernobyl plant in Ukraine ran out of control and exploded, killing the workers there at the time and some of those sent in to clean up afterwards, spreading contamination far and wide, leaving a swathe of countryside uninhabitable and tens of thousands banished from their homes. The harm done by radiation remains unknown to this day; the stress and anguish of the displaced has been plain to see. Et tu, Japan Then, 25 years later, when enough time had passed for some to be talking of a “nuclear renaissance”, it happened again (see article). The bureaucrats, politicians and industrialists of what has been called Japan’s “nuclear village” were not unaccountable apparatchiks in a decaying authoritarian state like those that bore the guilt of Chernobyl; they had responsibilities to voters, to shareholders, to society. And still they allowed their enthusiasm for nuclear power to shelter weak regulation, safety systems that failed to work and a culpable ignorance of the tectonic risks the reactors faced, all the while blithely promulgating a myth of nuclear safety."
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Post by Tired in CV on Mar 23, 2012 1:55:33 GMT -5
This is a proven method and we have the land available for use. Several of these will reduce the carbon output a great deal and reduce costs after they are paid for ~ less than 10 years. Solar power station in Spain works at nightA unique thermosolar power station in southern Spain can shrug off cloudy days: energy stored when the sun shines lets it produce electricity even during the night. The Gemasolar station, up and running since last May, stands out in the plains of Andalusia. From the road between Seville and Cordoba, one can see its central tower lit up like a beacon by 2,600 solar mirrors, each 120 square metres (1,290 square feet), that surround it in an immense 195-hectare (480-acre) circle. <clip> news.yahoo.com/solar-power-station-spain-works-night-000342166.html
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Post by jdredd on Apr 18, 2012 16:13:14 GMT -5
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/04/201241682318260912.html"New Orleans, LA - "The fishermen have never seen anything like this," Dr Jim Cowan told Al Jazeera. "And in my 20 years working on red snapper, looking at somewhere between 20 and 30,000 fish, I've never seen anything like this either." Dr Cowan, with Louisiana State University's Department of Oceanography and Coastal Sciences started hearing about fish with sores and lesions from fishermen in November 2010. Cowan's findings replicate those of others living along vast areas of the Gulf Coast that have been impacted by BP's oil and dispersants. Gulf of Mexico fishermen, scientists and seafood processors have told Al Jazeera they are finding disturbing numbers of mutated shrimp, crab and fish that they believe are deformed by chemicals released during BP's 2010 oil disaster."
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Post by jdredd on Aug 11, 2012 1:34:10 GMT -5
I may be an alarmist, but I see a bit of a problem coming. The energy industry is crowing about the natural gas boom in the Midwest, while at the same time a drought is cutting into food production, raising food prices worldwide. From what I know about the natural gas boom, I believe that fracking takes large quantities of water, taken from the aquifers. Are we going to have to choose between cheap energy and food?
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Post by Turk on Aug 11, 2012 21:43:00 GMT -5
I may be an alarmist, but I see a bit of a problem coming. The energy industry is crowing about the natural gas boom in the Midwest, while at the same time a drought is cutting into food production, raising food prices worldwide. From what I know about the natural gas boom, I believe that fracking takes large quantities of water, taken from the aquifers. Are we going to have to choose between cheap energy and food? Your boy promised energy cost would sky-rocket.
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