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Post by animal on Apr 22, 2011 16:51:06 GMT -5
Now I know why dredd is always quoting english.aljazeera.net ..... this muslim news network is touted by the whitehouse as a great news source.... Shocker
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Post by Tired in CV on Apr 22, 2011 17:27:29 GMT -5
Now I know why dredd is always quoting english.aljazeera.net ..... this muslim news network is touted by the whitehouse as a great news source.... Shocker Though Obama hold claims that he is not Muslim, he has never passed an opportunity to praise Muslim traditions or publications. I know of no other religion where he has made comments of their traditions or publications. Catholic, nope; Jewish, nope; Baptist, nope; Methodist, nope; Bhuddist, nope, he just doesn't do it! It makes one wonder but since he was a member of Wrights rch, who has awarded Muslim leaders and has shown hatred of the U.S., one needs not wonder very much!
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Post by nikki on Apr 29, 2011 16:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by jdredd on May 10, 2011 13:11:16 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/middleeast/11makhlouf.html?_r=1&hp"DAMASCUS, Syria — Syria’s ruling elite, a tight-knit circle at the nexus of absolute power, loyalty to family and a visceral instinct for survival, will fight to the end in a struggle that could cast the Middle East into turmoil and even war, warned Syria’s most powerful businessman, a confidant and cousin of President Bashar al-Assad." Obama's failure to "osama" (verb) Khaddafi has been an inspiration to tyrants all over the Middle East to hang in there, as a new spineless US more worried about debt will do nothing.
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Post by dj on May 10, 2011 16:34:32 GMT -5
Now I know why dredd is always quoting english.aljazeera.net ..... this muslim news network is touted by the whitehouse as a great news source.... Shocker Though Obama hold claims that he is not Muslim, he has never passed an opportunity to praise Muslim traditions or publications. I know of no other religion where he has made comments of their traditions or publications. Catholic, nope; Jewish, nope; Baptist, nope; Methodist, nope; Bhuddist, nope, he just doesn't do it! It makes one wonder but since he was a member of Wrights rch, who has awarded Muslim leaders and has shown hatred of the U.S., one needs not wonder very much! Catholic: www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=3425Jewish: The day before hosting the 3rd annual passover seder at the white house. www.virtualjerusalem.com/judaism.php?Itemid=3325Speaking at Martin Luther King's rch, Ebenezer Baptist: www.grist.org/article/barack-obama-at-ebenezer-baptist-rch-20-jan-2008Methodist christianity, like baptist, is a protestant religion and as such when Obama speaks of Christianity in general, of the traditions and scriptures, certainly he is speaking of many denominations at once. He has spoken of his mothers parents, his grandparents who raised him, being Methodist and Baptist. So when he speaks of accepting Jesus Christ as his lord and savior, as he did in the 1980's, one could say he has spoken of the traditions and "publications" of them. And although I don't see Obama speaking directly of Buddhism's traditions or "publications" I do see he includes Buddhism when he speaks of the array of religions which are a part of American culture: In other words I disagree that Obama seems to say nothing of the traditions or tenets of other religions or seems to disregard their significance in our lives. He doesn't praise Islam in any more of a flowery manner than he does about other religions. Although, if he did I would not blame him; he is working against a decided anti-Muslim bias prevelant in America. AS BUSH did, he sometimes makes it a point to remind the vast majority of muslims, that traditional Islam is not our enemy. There are many millions of Muslims living and working in the U.S. in addition to the over 1 billion adherents throughout the world.
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Post by Tired in CV on May 11, 2011 1:35:51 GMT -5
In other words I disagree that Obama seems to say nothing of the traditions or tenets of other religions or seems to disregard their significance in our lives. He doesn't praise Islam in any more of a flowery manner than he does about other religions. Although, if he did I would not blame him; he is working against a decided anti-Muslim bias prevelant in America. AS BUSH did, he sometimes makes it a point to remind the vast majority of muslims, that traditional Islam is not our enemy. There are many millions of Muslims living and working in the U.S. in addition to the over 1 billion adherents throughout the world. While I can see that he has mentioned other religions here and there, only during the Seder was he actually tuned in to religion and yet he made that a political speech before it ended. When he spoke of Jericho, he was discussing a process of change and was really not concerned about religion, another political address. His comments about the Holy Father were just political points that he commonly speaks when he is meeting with a person of importance. His only respect is because the Holy Father has a great influence on many and he wants to tap that influence. I don't think he has much respect for the religion. He speaks of religion in political terms, a method of getting a tweak from those who may not otherwise care for him.
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Post by nikki on May 11, 2011 1:45:27 GMT -5
DJ: ... "a decided anti-Muslim bias prevelant in America." Oh, DJ, parse your words carefully here. And just who in America "decided," as in made a "decision," to be biased in a prevelant manner against Muslims? Is this true, or is it a biased perception from someone who is biased against other religions and not just religion in general? You continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself.
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Post by jdredd on May 11, 2011 1:49:07 GMT -5
de·cid·ed –adjective 1. in no way uncertain or ambiguous; unquestionable; unmistakable: a decided victory. 2. free from hesitation or wavering; resolute; determined: a decided approach to a problem.
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Post by dj on May 11, 2011 7:44:25 GMT -5
In other words I disagree that Obama seems to say nothing of the traditions or tenets of other religions or seems to disregard their significance in our lives. He doesn't praise Islam in any more of a flowery manner than he does about other religions. Although, if he did I would not blame him; he is working against a decided anti-Muslim bias prevelant in America. AS BUSH did, he sometimes makes it a point to remind the vast majority of muslims, that traditional Islam is not our enemy. There are many millions of Muslims living and working in the U.S. in addition to the over 1 billion adherents throughout the world. While I can see that he has mentioned other religions here and there, only during the Seder was he actually tuned in to religion and yet he made that a political speech before it ended. When he spoke of Jericho, he was discussing a process of change and was really not concerned about religion, another political address. His comments about the Holy Father were just political points that he commonly speaks when he is meeting with a person of importance. His only respect is because the Holy Father has a great influence on many and he wants to tap that influence. I don't think he has much respect for the religion. He speaks of religion in political terms, a method of getting a tweak from those who may not otherwise care for him. While I would love to analyse exactly Obama's positions on the various religions of the world, the initial point of discussion here was a claim that he only acknowledges Islam and ignores all other religions, right? Specifically you said "I know of no other religion where he has made comments of their traditions or publications. Catholic, nope; Jewish, nope; Baptist, nope; Methodist, nope; Bhuddist, nope, he just doesn't do it!" I just lobbed a few quotes your way to show this is simply not the case. He has addressed the "traditions or publications" of all those faiths, in a respectful manner. It doesn't matter that now we're discussing how sincere he is about his abiding respect for each of them, the point is your statement is incorrect. We could talk for years on end about exactly how much his interest in each of those faiths is for political expediency. But I will say this one thing: His positive comments towards Islam are equally politically expedient. He goes out of his way to express to the sane 1 Billion Muslims that our fight with the terrorists is not with them. He expresses respect for the religion in general. That's the point. You were suggesting some sort of deeper relationship, correct? By what he has said at the annual prayer breakfasts at the white house (yes he has them, surprise) it is obvious his heart is wholly in christianity. Not that it matters but I still scratch my head about how fervently people attempt to convince everyone that Obama secretly favors the, you know, that enemy religion.
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Post by animal on May 11, 2011 10:00:37 GMT -5
I would take a different tact.... I would push those Billion Muslims to get the "few" radicals under control for thier own sake and safety.
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Post by Turk on May 11, 2011 10:04:05 GMT -5
Yemen is heating up. Citizens are being shot in the streets by the military.
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Post by dj on May 11, 2011 11:50:38 GMT -5
I would take a different tact.... I would push those Billion Muslims to get the "few" radicals under control for thier own sake and safety. I think that's part of the process. Having a respectfull relationship with the sane Billion, I think, is more productive in pushing them to reign in the radicals. If they know we (the west) are on their side in that struggle, it's clearly easier to work with them on it. The radicals are doing all they can to convince the rest of the Muslim world that the west is the great satan. We are only proving the radicals correct by insulting and disrespecting Islam in general, instead of making it perfectly clear we are fighting the terrorists for their terrorism not their religion.
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Post by dj on May 11, 2011 11:59:38 GMT -5
Now I know why dredd is always quoting english.aljazeera.net ..... this muslim news network is touted by the whitehouse as a great news source.... Shocker Al Jazeera is actually a good source of news, just keep the filters up. While it is often seen as anti-American, it's rival Al Arabiya is seen in the Arab world as pro-saudi and pro-America. What they have in common is not so much Islam as it is the Arab world's culture. Rupert Murdoch wants a piece of that action too, and is partnering with his Fox co-owner Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia in developing another rival Arab language news network. That one should be somewhat more pro-America, I would guess.
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Post by Turk on May 11, 2011 16:57:38 GMT -5
Tunisia As the first leadership casualty of the “Arab Spring,” Tunisia’s former president, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, is now wanted by Tunisian authorities on 18 counts of criminal activity. Interpol has also issued an arrest warrant for the former president now seeking refuge in Saudi Arabia. Despite setting elections for the constituent assembly on July 24, the interim government is now backtracking. Yesterday, Prime Minister Beji Caid Essebsi warned that “logistical hitches” could prevent the elections from taking place. Many also fear the return of the former regime, as former interior minister Farhat Rajhi claimed that Ben Ali loyalists were planning a coup in the wake of upcoming elections. Renewed protests have taken place, prompting Tunisian authorities to institute a curfew to stem violence. Egypt Since former President Hosni Mubarak fled to Sharm el-Sheikh in February, the military has assumed power until elections next fall. While the Muslim Brotherhood, as the largest and most well-organized political force, is expected to make considerable gains in the parliamentary elections in September, it claims that it will not run a presidential candidate in elections later this year. So far, the toppling of the Mubarak regime has not resulted in peace and democracy. The military is still in firm control and promises to rule by an “iron fist” after a recent outbreak of violence between Coptic Christians and Islamist extremists who seek to mobilize Egypt’s Muslim majority by fomenting hatred against Christians. As Egypt attempts to transform its government into a democracy, the acceptance of religious minorities still has a long way to go. Yemen President Ali Abdullah Saleh’s political power is hanging by a thread. In an initial attempt to quell public opposition, Saleh announced that he would not run in the 2013 presidential election and then offered to relinquish power within 30 days in return for immunity. This deal quickly fell apart after he refused to sign it. After being abandoned by many members of his own government and tribe, Yemen’s failing president continues to violently crack down on protestors. The United States and members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) have called for Saleh to step down. At yesterday’s meeting in Riyadh, GCC members proposed a plan for Saleh to step down within 30 days, transfer power to a deputy, and establish a government that includes the opposition. In exchange, Saleh would be granted immunity. Saleh continues to balk at stepping down while Yemen slides toward greater instability. Bahrain In March, Bahrain imposed a state of emergency and, with assistance from its allies in the GCC, staged a vigorous crackdown on anti-government protestors. Bahrain’s government claims that Iran and Hezbollah continue to assist protestors in their attempts to topple the government. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has confirmed Iranian meddling, and U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged tracking communications among Shia opposition groups, Iran, and Hezbollah. While Bahrain’s government is divided between those who are willing to compromise with the opposition and hard-liners bent on suppressing reform, the latter have wielded more influence. So far, over 800 people have been arrested in connection with anti-government protests, and last weekend trials began for 21 anti-government activists charged with attempting to overthrow the government. Iran The protests from the stolen June 2009 elections still echo across Iran. While the regime has welcomed revolutions across the Middle East, it violently suppresses the one at home. Iran’s young and growing population, its high unemployment, and its poor economic outlook are a dangerous combination and spell the way for continued unrest. While political opposition leaders have been arrested and forced into hiding, Iran’s Green Movement continues to demand democratic change. Libya With the help from NATO air strikes, Libya’s Free Libya Forces have made painfully slow progress against Colonel Muammar Qadhafi’s loyalists. In the western city of Misrata, opposition forces advanced on government forces, forcing them out. Despite this recent stroke of good fortune, the opposition movement is in disarray. The United Kingdom, France, and Italy have sent military advisors, and Saudi Arabia and Qatar have provided weapons. The United States has provided $25 million in non-lethal assistance and is currently assessing the prospect of disbursing the Qadhafi assets (which were frozen by the U.S. Treasury) to the opposition movement’s Transitional National Council. Jordan Since last December, Jordan has experienced the rise of two different anti-government movements: a pro-democracy movement inspired by those in Tunisia and Egypt and a militant Salafist movement. After acquiescing to pro-democracy activists, King Abdullah II replaced Prime Minister Samir Rifai with former military general Marouf al-Bakhit. Opposition groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood have called this change “cosmetic” and are now calling for al-Bakhit’s resignation. At the same time, the Jordanian government is also being challenged by the rise of the Salafist Jihadist movement, which is bent on transforming Jordan into an Islamic state run according to Sharia law. Jordanian authorities have attempted to crack down on the demonstrations but have been met with violence, leading to over a hundred arrests last week. Syria President Bashar al-Assad’s regime staged a brutal crackdown on peaceful demonstrators that has claimed more lives than any other country affected by the “Arab Spring,” with the exception of Libya. After initially promising reforms, Assad deployed tanks, snipers on rooftops, and tens of thousands of heavily armed troops to crush what he called an “armed uprising.” Although the Alawite-dominated regime’s narrow base of support has eroded dangerously, it continues to receive active support from Iran. The Baathist regime has characterized the opposition movement “of fundamentalists, extremists, smugglers and people who are ex-convicts.” Over the past few days, the regime has become even more aggressive, arresting hundreds of anti-government activists and claiming victory, despite the growing alienation of Syria’s long-suffering people. blog.heritage.org/2011/05/11/wave-of-protests-continues-across-north-africa-and-the-middle-east/
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Post by Turk on Jun 4, 2011 15:35:42 GMT -5
Yemen’s embattled president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, agreed to be flown to Saudi Arabia on Saturday for urgent medical treatment a day after being wounded in a bold attack on the presidential compound, Saudi officials said, a move that would leave Yemen leaderless amid an intensifying political crisis. Analysts fear that a sudden departure by Mr. Saleh, after 33 years in power, would create even deeper chaos in Yemen, where the government has already lost control of some outlying provinces and Al Qaeda and other jihadists have appeared to exploit the political turmoil to move more freely. www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/world/middleeast/05yemen.html?_r=2&hpYemen will be Al Qaeda's haven. BHO should forget Libya, Yemen is the real problem.
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