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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 5, 2009 13:38:55 GMT -5
It never ceases to AMAZE ME how republicans BLAME SOME ONE ELSE FOR THEIR FAILURES. ... Whoa thar, Jack Oliver! If your response was in reply to my post, I think you doth protest too much. The post wasn't about blame towards anyone. It was simply a statement of facts. DJ has maintained that the Media is not biased and, in certain respects, I think he may be right. While one could say that there is much to hold GWB accountable for, that is a different topic altogether, about which I was not addressing. Is it not possible or even permissible to discuss a topic that is NOT specifically about George Bush and not trigger a tirade? The same is true about President Elect Obama. If the subject about pectorals came up, do we launch into a battle about birth certificates?
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 5, 2009 14:22:53 GMT -5
pathetic republican lie and talking point, "the liberal media" what a crock of crap...
I dont see any republican complaining about 24/7 FOX Republican Lies and News or Republican Hate Talk Radio of 24 hours of republican lies and hate.
blame blame blame...
GO SARAH PALLIN 2012 !!!
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Post by CM on Jan 5, 2009 14:32:03 GMT -5
pathetic republican lie and talking point, "the liberal media" what a crock of crap... I dont see any republican complaining about 24/7 FOX Republican Lies and News or Republican Hate Talk Radio of 24 hours of republican lies and hate. blame blame blame... GO SARAH PALLIN 2012 !!! Would you care to back up your position with facts? ?
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 5, 2009 16:43:51 GMT -5
pathetic republican lie and talking point, "the liberal media" what a crock of crap... I dont see any republican complaining about 24/7 FOX Republican Lies and News or Republican Hate Talk Radio of 24 hours of republican lies and hate. blame blame blame... ... My monitor seems to be going bad or something. Did someone write something on this thread about liberal bias or blaming? Jack Oliver, can I come over to your place and see what you are seeing on your monitor that I am not seeing on mine?? ;D
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 5, 2009 17:48:22 GMT -5
SORRY HATCH
Todays GOP smear talking point was about the 'liberal media giving Obama a pass"
it's all over talk radio.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 5, 2009 19:04:15 GMT -5
Oh, well, Jack Oliver, glad you cleared that up. Thanks! I was about to double check the sanity clause in the rental agreement for this pair of old eyes.
So the talk radio heads are really going at it? Seems pretty useless to me at this point.
Kinda like all that similar clap-trap about giving Bush a pass, ain't it.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 5, 2009 21:22:32 GMT -5
Hatch,
A couple of things:
1) I am having trouble scrolling past Fem Dems avatar. I should probably warn you now that if that is her I am going to start leaning farther left. I got your back girl.
2) About your post...
I believe you are correct about the messengers. Pean, Cher and others really never seemed to have enough creds when it comes to international politics. However if you go back and look at the statements of Garrafalo and Clooney and even Penn you will see that the issues they reaised turned out to be the ones we underestimated most.
I do not think it was balanced. When it came to the descriptions of what was happening on the ground in Iraq prior to our invasion you heard from retired military or people with white house connections. You didn't hear from people with expertise in understanding Iraqi culture and in hindsight we see that is where we came up most short. I think if not a free pass, we can see that there were some really important questions not asked.
We are not going to go back and change what has happened. My concern is not about making sure Obama gets treated the same as much as I want to be sure that we do not get treated the same. If we enter the war on the recession with no better intel than we did for the Iraqi portion of the war on terror we will be paying for that mistake for as long or longer. I hope that Obama and his team are not as manipulative as Bush and his team were, but either way let us see all the cards this time.
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Post by Jack on Jan 5, 2009 21:58:41 GMT -5
I agree about Fem Dem's new avatar and think she is somehow taking an unfair advantage. I'll bet her karma rating went up after she dumped the old finger nails on a black board thing. Penn and other Hollywood socialist unfortunately will always fall into the category of "even a blind squirrel". Maybe we can just blame it on their publicists. I can guarantee that Penn has at least one Che T-shirt and probably a few with the image of his socialist hero, Chavez. I kinda liked Penn in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High", but I don't think he really had to get "in character" to be Spicoli.
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Post by ♥Fem Dem♥ on Jan 6, 2009 0:15:35 GMT -5
Bill O'Reilly Declares A Winner: Norm Coleman. Duh
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Post by retiredsocal on Jan 8, 2009 16:19:15 GMT -5
"The media gave BUSH a pass about the phoney WMD's and since then have done NOTHING TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE."
As mentioned by escapehatch, the WMD's were mentioned, some identified and action being discussed by the Clinton administration long before Bush (W) became president. Just because they were not found does not mean they did not exist! Your phony WMD's issue is just like the birth certificate issue!
"Can anyone here say over 4000 dead US soldeirs over a lie or at best a mistake? Republicans DONT CARE because they are silent...how cowardess."
What kind of comment is that? I suppose that the Democrat administrations didn't care in Vietnam where 58,148 troops died.
The Vietnam War was not lost by its military, it was lost by the Vietnamese government when the Americans left and did not provide support. Something we are hoping will not happen in Iraq. That is why how we exit Iraq is so important. Not that we want to stay there forever. Heck, I would like to see all our troops on foreign lands returned home. But that would not be in this countries best interest in the long run. Many countries want and need our assistance.
Anyone who has been in combat does not look at the loss of life lightly. It must be for a purpose and a purpose exists in Iraq. Maybe not the original purpose but still a purpose exists. Hopefully the Iraqi's won't squander the opportunity when we leave. That regions tribal factions need to learn to co-exist and co-govern together to succeed. Not unlike the political parties here in the United States. If we continue to aim partisan bickering at each other we will stay divided and this country will continue to degrade.
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 8, 2009 17:00:25 GMT -5
"The media gave BUSH a pass about the phoney WMD's and since then have done NOTHING TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE."As mentioned by escapehatch, the WMD's were mentioned, some identified and action being discussed by the Clinton administration long before Bush (W) became president. Just because they were not found does not mean they did not exist! Your phony WMD's issue is just like the birth certificate issue! "Can anyone here say over 4000 dead US soldeirs over a lie or at best a mistake? Republicans DONT CARE because they are silent...how cowardess."What kind of comment is that? I suppose that the Democrat administrations didn't care in Vietnam where 58,148 troops died. The Vietnam War was not lost by its military, it was lost by the Vietnamese government when the Americans left and did not provide support. Something we are hoping will not happen in Iraq. That is why how we exit Iraq is so important. Not that we want to stay there forever. Heck, I would like to see all our troops on foreign lands returned home. But that would not be in this countries best interest in the long run. Many countries want and need our assistance. Anyone who has been in combat does not look at the loss of life lightly. It must be for a purpose and a purpose exists in Iraq. Maybe not the original purpose but still a purpose exists. Hopefully the Iraqi's won't squander the opportunity when we leave. That regions tribal factions need to learn to co-exist and co-govern together to succeed. Not unlike the political parties here in the United States. If we continue to aim partisan bickering at each other we will stay divided and this country will continue to degrade. sorry to disagree, but allot of people hold bush accountable for his lies. to bad you give him a pass. as for vietnam, I was still against it, even if dems supported it. I know you are not foolish enough to justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior. Only children and hypocrites do that.
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Post by jdredd on Mar 27, 2009 11:40:44 GMT -5
I believe Baby Boomer journalists, who are now beginning to retire, will have to live the rest of their lives in shame. In the hour when the public needed them most, they sat on their hands and let the Bush administration deceive America into the disastrous Iraq invasion.
P.S. Janene Garafalo will have my eternal gratitude for being one of the embarassingly few public figures to aggressively oppose the invasion.
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Post by Jack on Mar 27, 2009 12:57:58 GMT -5
I believe Baby Boomer journalists, who are now beginning to retire, will have to live the rest of their lives in shame. In the hour when the public needed them most, they sat on their hands and let the Bush administration deceive America into the disastrous Iraq invasion. P.S. Janene Garafalo will have my eternal gratitude for being one of the embarassingly few public figures to aggressively oppose the invasion. Oh, Please, let's not go there today. Everyone has formed an opinion by now and few are willing to change their position. It's been beat to death on the blogs, in the press and on all the radio/TV talk shows. Cant' we just be thankful that it's almost over and pray that there isn't an unsuccessful escalation in Afghanistan?
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Post by lou on Mar 27, 2009 13:01:17 GMT -5
DJ, I guess my concerns are more about the role of the media in a free society than the role of the media in the prior election. I think once you factor in all voting concerns, media concerns, fund raising concerns than the election was a collections of activities that taken as a whole produce a victor and that is as fair as we get. I do not think the media was the key either. The media did not show much balance in our ramp up to the Iraq war. The questions they should have been asking were out there they just never asked them. I am concerned that the bailout and Afghanistan may represent the same opportunities and we again may get nothing. Allow me to weigh in as well. I think the media did give O a pass, how long was it before the Rev Wright scandal was covered by the msm? Look at the negative reporting that Hilliary received. Look at the hatchet job the media did on Cindy McCain. I disagree with you, I think the media early on decided on O as the candidate and the President and they slanted their coverage in that manner. Remember what happened to "Joe the Plumber?" Journalism has always been report the facts, in this run, I don't think "report the facts' was truly practiced. Did it influence me? NO; but it can and does in
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Post by CM on Mar 27, 2009 13:17:01 GMT -5
P.S. Janene Garafalo will have my eternal gratitude for being one of the embarassingly few public figures to aggressively oppose the invasion. Now you made me laugh
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