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Post by CM on Jan 27, 2009 22:01:13 GMT -5
Maybe because I’m as old as the hills but I’m not getting the segue from Nazi to worms, please explain in detail Fem Dem.
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Post by lou on Jan 28, 2009 15:08:06 GMT -5
How quickly we forget..... Lou was commenting on another thread about how Obama is going to double or triple the debt. I guess he has forgotten the eleven trillion that Bush racked up. I think we have to hope we have more to show for Obamas increases than we do for those incurred during the last eight years. We are currently complaining about conservative talk radio not giving Obama a chance. I guess we have forgotten the hollywood types and the left wing media and far left cooks who believed that the whole Iraq war was about profits for Haliburton and the Carlyle group. The Obama birth certificate from the right and the Bush/Osama conspiracy theories from the left. There is concern that liberals want to limit the free expression of conservatives. I guess many have forgotten how critics of the war were labeled unAmerican, unpatriotic and worst. There is a kind of karma to politics I think. What comes around goes around. I think if your ideology is on top right now you should realize that wont last forever. How you act now may be how you are treated when the worm turns. Well the Bush years I had MORE of my money to spend on MY wishes! I doubt that will happen with the Obama years! Subsequent generations will be paying for the Obama "stimulus!" Yes, indeed, the conservatives did label anyone who disagreed with the war as un-American; BUT, the libs not only want to stop all conservative radio, they want to ban it under the "Fairness Doctrine" in other words censorship! so much for freedom of speech!
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 28, 2009 15:29:38 GMT -5
Lou please dont fall for the GOP hysteria
Im sure you are smart enough to know the fairness doctrine does not BAN anything. Your statement is false, wheither intentional or not.
The doctrine provides the listeners opposing point of view to be air as well as the GOP talking points.
IF talk radio did not shut down opposing points of view by hanging up on callers and calling them names, we would not need this.
Im sorry if you feel threatened by hearing both sides of a story, and not ONLY GOP Talking Points
LET ME REMIND YOU, THESE ARE AMERICAS AIR WAVES, NOT NAZI REPUBLICAN AIRWAVES OF PROPAGANDA.
AND THAT IS HOW THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED, AND THATS OK WITH YOU ISNT IT.
HOW UNAMERICAN, TO SHUT DOWN OTHER POINTS OF VIEW.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 29, 2009 21:07:40 GMT -5
Lou, Bush was spending our childrens and grandchildrens money, that is why you had more. Obama hasn't spent the money yet, but when he does we should expect to have something to show for it, and that should make all the difference. When there is a version of the Fairness Doctrine on the table we can discuss it. I guess you forget the hysteria that right wing media made over SB777. Do you have a follow up for that yet? It was going to end the concept of marriage and family as we know it. I have been scouring the headlines ever since and if the fabric of society was torn asunder I am afraid I missed it.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 29, 2009 21:09:24 GMT -5
CM, I am pretty sure you do not want her explanation "in detail." She responded to me about a clamdigger and frankly there were just too many visual images. I think we need to be careful of what we wish for.
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Post by Retired in CV on Jan 29, 2009 23:57:56 GMT -5
"In 1993, John McCain was the keynote speaker at a banquet for the anti-gay hate group, the Oregon Citizens Alliance. Prior to his speech, Marylin Shannon offered a prayer in praise of a woman who shot a Navy veteran and doctor who happened to work at an abortion clinic. The judge who later sentenced the shooter for a string of clinic bombings made it very clear: "You are a terrorist." " While I will clearly state that McCain's attendance of an anti-gay hate group meeting was a mistake, you fail to connect him to the terrorist mentioned. When amongst a group of people in a meeting and one speaks a prayer about another person who happens to have a terrorist history does not mean that you support the statements of that person. In fact, you don't even have any control over what is being said. That is, unless you have a transcript of every speech in advance. That seldom happens. By your quote, there is no evidence that McCain even knew who that person was. I don't know if McCain responded to the group about this person or not. Depending on how the person saying the prayer was received by the audience may very well been justification not to say anything and leave it alone. He had his own message to the audience. I am sure that many of us who have attended professional meetings have encountered comments from others of whose statement(s) we opposed. Just because we are in the meeting doesn't mean we know, or support, those who are spoken about!
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 0:47:33 GMT -5
Wow Retired....its almost like you were talking about President Obama and his connection to William Ayers.....I guess that logic was lost in August and September a few months ago.
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Post by Retired in CV on Jan 30, 2009 2:40:58 GMT -5
Wow Retired....its almost like you were talking about President Obama and his connection to William Ayers.....I guess that logic was lost in August and September a few months ago. Are you sure that I made those statements trying to connect Ayers to Obama? I know that plenty of others did. Are you not over generalizing me? I remember having made a similar statement as here. I only questioned when the comment was made that he didn't know Ayers. Obviously he did but not the way others tried to portray him. By the way, I have a -70 on the other blog. You have some work to do! Over there each post is individually graded, not cumulative like here.
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Post by VOR on Jan 30, 2009 9:55:14 GMT -5
Retired, I am not stating anything you have said in the past, but the fact is what you are arguing here is in defense of exactly what others argued against Obama on the other blog about Ayers and you said nothing like this in his defense. How come??? Where was this comment at? Had you posted it, I would have thought you logical? Sane? But you wait until it fits a Conservative? LOL.
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2009 13:45:28 GMT -5
Retired in CV, This site openly encourages new members and the best way to start accumulating those pesky negative Karma points is to register and become a member. It's definitely a lot nicer and more civil here than over at the RR blog.
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2009 14:22:44 GMT -5
I didn't know where to put this, "Countdown until Obama leaves Office", display - I guess this is as good a place as any. obamaclock.org/
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Post by Retired in CV on Jan 31, 2009 3:09:28 GMT -5
Retired, I am not stating anything you have said in the past, but the fact is what you are arguing here is in defense of exactly what others argued against Obama on the other blog about Ayers and you said nothing like this in his defense. How come??? Where was this comment at? Had you posted it, I would have thought you logical? Sane? But you wait until it fits a Conservative? LOL. We (Larry, DJ, Hatch, myself and others) have gone over this on the RR blog. When somebody says something wrong, does everyone have to correct that person? Or is it OK once one or two have done so? It doesn't matter which political position they hold, although most corrections are in defense from differing positions. Quite frankly with all the wrong statements made on blogs (and I have made some of them) it would be pretty boring if every single blogger were to tie up the blog in corrections. I haven't heard any criticism from democrats concerning the recent discoveries of delinquent taxes from several Democrat Congressmen. Each one with multiple years, not just one year. They are catching up only because they are being brought into focus. If these were Republicans we would be hearing of how they are criminal Tax Evaders! It's really surprising that more Congressmen haven't been found to be in arrears. A study that I came across several years ago put Attorneys as the #1 Tax Evader. A very large number of Congressmen were Attorneys! LOL
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 31, 2009 11:30:50 GMT -5
Tired, You are over-reacting again. Those democratic congressmen are trying to understand their republican counterparts in a new way. They have heard the lower taxes argument year after year and merely attempted to conduct some research on their own. Many of them agree that people should pay less taxes, one attorney at a time. Frankly like yourself I am just so shocked to find out that it is the attorneys who are breaking all the rules. Man if only we could have predicted this.
I agree that we do not have to correct a misconception more than once (assuming someone doesn't go Lori on us and just keep posting the falsehood over and over and over) unless we are part of an ongoing dicussion that is introducing counterpoints. I think older guys like Jack should perhaps get a break since they cannot possible be expected to remember everything they post (that is payback for the Garth bit on another thread- not to say that wasn't an accurate portrayal). I think if liberals are going to go on record as being against torture they should avoid the "virtual" waterboarding that we saw on the other threads.
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Post by VOR on Jan 31, 2009 12:41:16 GMT -5
Please Waterboard me......Hannity said its fun not torture.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 31, 2009 19:28:10 GMT -5
Vor, I bet FemDem could set that up for you....
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