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Post by CM on Feb 5, 2009 16:14:25 GMT -5
You have not proven once anyone believes a lie. You stated those that serve our country are scum, that is insulting.
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Post by jackoliver on Feb 5, 2009 16:45:29 GMT -5
CM, I stated those that believe Bush's lie are scum...
sorry if the shoe fits
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Post by EscapeHatch on Feb 5, 2009 17:07:09 GMT -5
....sorry..... Seems to me that I recall someone who pointed out those that wrap themselves in the American flag... and childishly stump with insults. I never realized until now how right he was.
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Post by jackoliver on Feb 5, 2009 17:22:49 GMT -5
....sorry..... Seems to me that I recall someone who pointed out those that wrap themselves in the American flag... and childishly stump with insults. I never realized until now how right he was. sounds like rick roberts and sean hanity.. you are not a great american per Hannity if you dont believe Bush
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Post by EscapeHatch on Feb 5, 2009 17:34:41 GMT -5
... you are not a great american per Hannity if you dont believe Bush I'll give you that.
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Post by jackoliver on Feb 5, 2009 17:59:19 GMT -5
you know guys and Gals(lou), i dont enjoy jabbing...
if i see a blantant lable or smear or generalization, it tempts me to return it in spades..
today im busy and dont have time to debate in depth, so I appologize with my short remarks.
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Post by CM on Feb 5, 2009 18:15:21 GMT -5
you know guys and Gals(lou), i dont enjoy jabbing... if i see a blantant lable or smear or generalization, it tempts me to return it in spades.. today im busy and dont have time to debate in depth, so I appologize with my short remarks. Okie dokie, apology accepted. We all understand busy.
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Post by jackoliver on Feb 5, 2009 18:19:01 GMT -5
thanks CM, it realy is true, haste does make waste, and my comments could be more in depth... Cheers.
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Post by Retired in CV on Feb 5, 2009 23:16:50 GMT -5
If you feel insulted because you believe bush's lying Iraq war, that is your problem...sorry. My military family as well as the majority of america feel otherwise...sorry... you are in the minority ,,,,sorry.... and this is not a military, non military issue, it is believing a lie or holding liars accountable...sorry... it is not about me,,that is how people like you folks rationalize believing lies,,,by blamming others, or changing the focus of the topic....sorry..... You are SORRY alright! You are trying to correct your INSULT by linking it to "Bush's lying Iraq war". Your statement was very definitive and did not mention "Bush's lying Iraq war". Just a flat out INSULT! Quoted: "Good job Lou,,,you should be proud...do me a favor, never look a brave soldier in the eyes...you are not worthy,,,,my military family has NO RESPECT FOR BUSH REPUBLICANS>>>NONE>>> They have called them SCUM of the EARTH>..that is their hard EARNED OPINION by serving our country..." ******************************************************* Another quote: "I can see Russia from Joe the Plummers toilet!!!" You must have some great eyes to see Russia from Ohio! By the way, what were you doing with Joe the Plummers toilet! Never mind, I really don't want to know that one.
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Post by Tired in CV on Feb 6, 2009 0:17:18 GMT -5
Jack the Iraq war was a lie or mistake about WWMD's PERIOD. That wat the rational that sold it to our country.. ANYTHING ELSE IS TRYING TO CHANGE HISTORY AND BEING A BUSH APPOLOGIST... TRY JUMPING OFF THAT SHARK, CALLED THE TRUTH.. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER EXCUSES TO MAKE YOUR MISTAKES RATIONAL... You dont fool me, or the rest of America who voted for Obama...SORRY>>> You are ignoring the TRUTH! You just keep on throwing out "talking points" that do not provide for a real discussion. Hatch gave you a very valid link to show that the Democrats were chest thumping about Weapons of Mass Destruction and many other issues in preparation for possible war with Iraq. This was prevalent during the Clinton administration long before Bush "W" was contemplating a run for president. There are plenty of youtube videos (uncut) showing these people making these statements. You do the search. I have posted links many times on the RR site. They had access to the same intellegence data as Bush had when he entered office. So, how we got into Iraq is a wash as there was plenty of build up to the war prior to Bush getting involved! While very few Democrats opposed the war, the majority of all parties agreed to it and funded it. I will state that the war was mishandled for to many years. Was this the fault of the field commanders and their assessments; the fault of Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld; the fault of President Bush or a combination of them? Ultimately, it falls on Bush's shoulders as it should. It is always easier to choose a side as to whether we should have or should not have entered the war after the fact! At that time, there was plenty of support. As for what has taken place and what continues, I believe that the only person here who has expressed an intelligent discussion is Larry. At this point, our government and our troops can only support the government in Iraq. The outcome of the war there is now in Iraqi hands. The election results show some promising progress. What I have written here is not a change of history; does not apologize for Bush; nor attempt at making excuses for Bush's mistakes. Clearly, the mistake was the handling of the war from the beginning and continuing a "stay the course" attitude for to many years. Improvements took place immediately once Donald Rumsfeld was replaced. Not doing so sooner was a mistake by Bush. Your claim to Obama's fame in this process has been negligible until his election. Now his role is to act as a relief picture and lead this war to a close for our troops. At that, I wish him well!
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Post by lou on Feb 6, 2009 11:57:57 GMT -5
Larry, you and I have discussed Iraq quite often in the past and we always came down to the same issue, it depends on what Iraqi's do. Well it seems that the page as turned as you have stated. I agree that there is no rush to immediately leave. That doesn't mean that some sort of reduction might be appropriate. Obama has staked out a time table and it is his to use. Along with the elections and recommendations from the Commanders, I believe he will make the right decision. I believe that he won't be in such a hurry to remove all the troops, but will monitor the situation as you stated. The elections were very good news for us and especially for the Iraqi people. The government there gets stronger every day we are there, yet, I believe that Obama should not extend beyond the time table he has. As for those who attack Lou by saying she supports Bush's "stay the course", I have not read anything from her stating such. At best she just stated that immediate removal of troops as per the "Professor" was not the answer. I believe her comments agree with the assessment by Larry. I could be wrong about the agreeing with Larry though. Thank you for those kind words! Believe it or not, I was agreeing with Larry!
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Post by tpfkalarry on Feb 6, 2009 22:16:05 GMT -5
Don't Get Me Wrong,
There are plenty of lessons to be learned by how the Bush administration handled both the war and the ramp up to it. I would agree with tired that the Democrats did not ask enough questions or demand more answers. But that really does not wrap the whole thing up in any kind of pretty bow. I still do not know what anyone in that administration would have used to decide that the war was over. If you do not have an idea what victory is it seems hard to know when to leave.
Some of this would not be so difficult to understand if we did not go through a very similar experience in Vietnam. Do not go in unless you know how to get out. Do not go in if you do not have enough troops to accomplish your mission. Do not so mistrust the judgement of the American people that you have to mislead them to get their support. That support will not last very long once they find out the truth. Do not go to war if you do not understand who your enemy is and how they think.
We should not stay in Iraq because we think that is what John Wayne would do. We should not sacrifice more American lives in tribute to the lives already lost. We should only risk the lives of our troops if that risk reduces the chance that even more would be lost. I would not want my child to die so that somebodies ego is soothed or stroked.
We should stop talking about supporting the troops and actually start supporting them. Sometimes it seems the same voices that are so quick to want to send our troops into harms way are the same ones who want to save some money by reducing the costs of social programs that help them. The same people that are cheered when they walk through an airport terminal in uniform are often sneered at when they are sleeping under freeway overpasses.
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