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Post by jackoliver on Jan 13, 2009 14:52:50 GMT -5
Prck Roberts is at it again.
I just email him, please see below.
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Mr. Roberts, As a military family member, I find it disturbing and almost treasonist how you undermine President Elect Obama while US forces are abroad.
While Bush was in office, you got on your soap box and screamed bloody murder at anyone who criticized President Bush while our troops were abroad.
And now you are doing the same thing of which you criticized others for.
I find this very disturbing an un patriotic, and bordering on hypocrocy.
Im an independent and dont have a political preference, except for a united America, and what you are doing is borderline treason.
You also state that this type of behavior undermines our US Troops, and now you are doing it yourself.
I shall contact your sponsors to voice my concern and will let everyone I know not to give them their bussiness.
You can respond if you wish, or just shout me down and cut me off like you do the rest of your listeners.
Be a man.
Have a great day and please start supporting America !!! -------------------------------------------------------------
what a creep he is. Hpocrite to the freaking BONE !!!!!
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 13, 2009 18:24:56 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, I am traveling and am about as far east in the US as one can get... and freezing. My blood boiled when I read your header, then, I became concerned that my brain may have been freezing. In my hypothermic stupor, I came to the realization that SOME of your statements made sense. Huh? What I meant was that it is wrong, IMHO, to be jumping on the president elect for something he hasn't even done yet. I rankled at RR's "We are fighting a completely different kind of enemy, OBAMA. " That was classic RR and uncalled for. It is reactionary towards something that hasn't even happened yet. But...If just one of the terrorists gain any single Constitutional protection after being transferred to any installation stateside, I will not only be calling for Obama's impeachment, I will be calling for criminal charges. What charges? To confer Constitutional protections to persons that are NOT American citizens; are NOT and have NOT ever BEEN on American soil and; have no more Constitutionally guaranteed protections provided to MR. Wong Jin Lin (hypothetical figure) that lives in Anwei province of China and who has never even stepped foot in the USA, BUT has conspired, participated in the planning, financing, facilitating and/or execution of terrorist acts against the people of the United States... constitutes the worst kind of aiding and abetting enemies of the United States. Until then, I shall remain mute.
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Post by bruce on Jan 13, 2009 18:43:47 GMT -5
My understanding is that most if not all of the detainees at Guantanamo have not been charged with anything.If we don't have grounds(proof) of their commiting some crime,how can we keep them incarserated.Should we just keep them until they die of old age?
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Post by jackoliver on Jan 13, 2009 19:06:46 GMT -5
Jack Oliver, I am traveling and am about as far east in the US as one can get... and freezing. My blood boiled when I read your header, then, I became concerned that my brain may have been freezing. In my hypothermic stupor, I came to the realization that SOME of your statements made sense. Huh? What I meant was that it is wrong, IMHO, to be jumping on the president elect for something he hasn't even done yet. I rankled at RR's "We are fighting a completely different kind of enemy, OBAMA. " That was classic RR and uncalled for. It is reactionary towards something that hasn't even happened yet. Stay warm Hatch. Im glad you at least saw the point I was making about our local GOP Propagandist Prk Roberts. He does not practice what he preached about respecting our President while troops are on the ground. IMO, HE IS A FREAKING LYING HYPOCRITE WITH ONLY ONE INTENTION, TO LIE AND SMEAR ANY DEM FOR THE SAKE OF HIS GOP, EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR COUNTRY AND TROOPS. (my shouting is directed at KFMB and the GOP smear machine, not you Hatch) He has proven my point by his lattest Obama attack. As for the legalities of trying these 'ENEMY COMBATANTS" , I'll let the courts and our constitution figure this out. If these prisoners get there day in what ever court, military or something else, fine. Just charge them and convict them. Hatch, let me ask you this , what the heck is the US waiting for? It makes our legal system look like a joke. Bruce made an excellent point about this. Charge them and be done with it. Not I or any American I know, Including the dems and Obama feels to let terrorist go free or not pay a price. Please dont let Prck Roberts make you think otherwise. He already has way to many idiot brain dead listeners that believe his twisted hypocritical logic, IMO. Thanks for your repsonse Hatch and Bruce. You see, left , right, conservative and liberals do have common ground when we can see the truth through all the Talk Radio lies.
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Post by CM on Jan 13, 2009 19:42:31 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Hatch. Stay safe, dry, warm and enjoy today. It was one of those awful days in San Diego, crystal clear shy, light breeze from the east 30% humidity and a bone chilling 75 degrees.
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Post by daleescondido on Jan 13, 2009 21:03:05 GMT -5
My understanding is that most if not all of the detainees at Guantanamo have not been charged with anything.If we don't have grounds(proof) of their commiting some crime,how can we keep them incarserated.Should we just keep them until they die of old age? About 2/3 of the detainees are certainly enemies but the ones that arent definitly are getting a bad deal. Its a unique problem as in most wars pow camps are set for the duration in the theatre of war. Bush did try to return these guys to nation of origin but they wont take them. But I agree they should prosecute and send those who deserve it to their 72 virgins in paradise. The rest should be released but what country will take them?
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 13, 2009 21:15:51 GMT -5
... But I agree they should prosecute and send those who deserve it to their 72 virgins in paradise... It may well be that the 72 virgins have also declined to take them.
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Post by ♥Fem Dem♥ on Jan 13, 2009 21:22:46 GMT -5
I support our troops, I have always been a supporter of our troops and I will continue to support our troops, in the most meaningful ways.
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Post by VOR on Jan 13, 2009 21:37:54 GMT -5
There goes Hatch again with the religious implications. That is typical of conservatives like Hatch who claims that the furthest thing from his mind is race in his Minuteman club. Hatch, the religious affliation is of no matter here, whats important is to know what these humans are charged with and proof of what they have done.
America may not include non-citizens in our laws, yet there are ethics that must be followed. Every man has a right, a God-given right to address his accusers and hear what he's been charged with. Its the American way more then a law. This isn't Russia, I didn't think, where people are thrown into prison and the key thrown away.
America is so much better then that. But not conservatives who use any forms of torture, not for what they may get but for the satisfaction that in some ways they are hurting Muslums. Just read HATCH'S post. He cares about belitting the Muslum beliefs which he actually knows only what conservative talk has told him is true.
This is why we need fair and reasonable people in charge of America.
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Post by VOR on Jan 13, 2009 21:44:03 GMT -5
Hatch then wants to go after Obama if any criminal is released and commits a crime. LOL
If every judge in our country was held to Hatch's standards we would have imprisoned every judge.
This is not reasoning situations, its making decisions and threats because Obama is a Liberal, its stunningly clear. Hatch wants us to believe that he thinks Obama deserves a chance but at the same time wants to sentence him to death.
Hatch, happy birthday, but its clear you are no more reasonable now that you've grown a year older. Maybe it can be a new years resolution.
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Post by bruce on Jan 13, 2009 21:50:35 GMT -5
I can't speak to what RR was blathering about since I don't listen to him.However I suspect he is one of those is HOPING Obama fails,regardless of the implications for the country.I can only guess his motivation.It must be a living nightmare for RR and his ilk.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Jan 14, 2009 0:05:22 GMT -5
I support our troops, I have always been a supporter of our troops and I will continue to support our troops, in the most meaningful ways. Sucks to be old school. I don't recall getting a lot of support when I was "troops." Certainly not in a "meaningful" way. Didn't even mention it when I was in college. If I could wish for anything for our returning troops it is that they do not have to feel anything but proud of their service. I too support our troops, but probably not as meaningfully as femdem. Keep up the good work.
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Post by dj on Jan 14, 2009 1:16:02 GMT -5
Two comments: 1. It appears that a critical Supreme Court decision this past year already conferred upon the detainees certain constitutional protections. I think this is important to note since a lot of people are worried that closing gitmo would somehow do this, when it is in fact already done.
2. Rick today on his show, being as senseless as his usual self (who hired him? really.), was trying to suggest that bringing gitmo prisoners to Camp Pendleton would endanger us. Please explain to me how such a suggestion is NOT a direct insult to the men and women of the Navy and Marines who would be guarding the prisoners. Seriously. I think our armed forces at Pendleton are big boys and girls. They can keep the enemy non-combatants from escaping and hopping your backyard fence.
Rick's argument was the same as any other NIMBY (not-in-my-back-yard) who resists building jails, highways, or landfills because somehow this is going to infringe on your idylic life.
Rick of course then also said that holding war prisoners on base is not part of the mission of the Marines and Navy and that this was going to drain our resources or some such argument. Hello, Rick, reminder, currently at gitmo our Marines and Navy personnel are also equally not overseas killing people because they have to house prisoners. Six of one.... Closing gitmo would free them up for other duties. ...half dozen of the other.
To make the argument that we would be tying up our soldiers by making them watch prisoners at Pendleton is about as goofy as saying, well, it's just damned goofy. Taking and holding prisoners is a task that is indeed part of the mission of our armed forces.
Ultimately, it all boils down to the simple fact that for the next 4 years, and maybe eight, Roberts will denigrate any and all decisions made by Obama. It's just the way he rolls.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Jan 14, 2009 6:00:56 GMT -5
DJ, good to see your calm reason again.
While it may be common knowledge, for those that do not know, "Gitmo" will remain open for some time. Only the detention facility will be closed, and only in a manner of speaking at most.
The SCOTUS decision conferred "certain" protections. Would you agree that this seems contrived? If a person is given the right to enjoy one protection, how is he denied any other? In which clause does the Constitution state that all human beings on earth are entitled to this one, these two or these X number of Constitutional rights, priveleges and protections... but, not these or those? I can't find that passage.
There are times I I think Bush used SCOTUS to take the heat off of his position of "staying the course" in Gitmo. Hardly salient, I suppose, except it may explain at least a reversal in his opinion that the detainees are enemy combatants- not subject to enjoy protections under either the Consitution or the Geneva Convention (GC). I don't really know how to interpret the GC with respect to these characters, but, I am at least familiar with our Supreme Law of the Land.
I would agree that moving them to Pendelton puts our citizens to no greater risk than leaving them in Gitmo. I have complete confidence in our "big boys and girls" (and God, so many seem sooo young!!).
My problem is that, once they are on American soil, they are then completely protected under the Constitution. The deal is done. Just as illegal aliens, they will be us- in terms of rights and priveleges.
THAT gives me heartburn.
President Bush set the stage for what President-Elect Obama is supposedly about to do. They are both wrong and completely misguided. Rick Roberts has Terrets and ought to be excused.
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Post by bruce on Jan 14, 2009 7:12:25 GMT -5
Escape Hatch-I didn't think anyone else was up as early as myself,on the computer.This whole Gitmo mess was created by Bush et al,and now it's Obama's problem,like so much of the problems facing the country,the economic mess,the mid-east,etc.For what it's worth,McCain also was in favor of closing Gitmo.
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