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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2012 20:23:51 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16958188"Mr Ban said the "disastrous" failure to agree a UN resolution on Syria had encouraged Damascus "to step up its war on its own people". The international community is struggling to find a way forward in the crisis after Russia and China blocked the resolution last week. Syrian forces are continuing to attack opposition strongholds in the country. Hundreds of people have died in the central city of Homs after days of heavy bombardment." Assad is doing to Homs what Kaddafi would have done to Benghazi if NATO hadn't stopped him. Will Obama and the West sit by this time?
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Post by Turk on Feb 8, 2012 20:58:58 GMT -5
Good topic JD. My guess is the balless wonder in the WH will let his muslim brothers continue their murderous ways. I predicted this months ago not only in Syria but also Yemen. Our leaderless leader sure blew it big time in Egypt now 19 American's are accused of crimes for being an American. Ray LaHood's son is a victim of our balless wonder. Obama ran on healing the earth and bring peace to his muslims buddies.
That used car doesn't run.
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Post by jdredd on Feb 8, 2012 23:39:44 GMT -5
Good topic JD. My guess is the balless wonder in the WH will let his muslim brothers continue their murderous ways. I predicted this months ago not only in Syria but also Yemen. Our leaderless leader sure blew it big time in Egypt now 19 American's are accused of crimes for being an American. Ray LaHood's son is a victim of our balless wonder. Obama ran on healing the earth and bring peace to his muslims buddies. That used car doesn't run. I think we are making some progress here. Whereas you usually call Obama a "piece of manure", which is content free, calling O a "balless wonder" hits the nail on the head and is something I can agree with.
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Post by jdredd on Apr 9, 2012 21:07:58 GMT -5
www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/201249162749211983.html"Syrian troops have fired across frontiers and shelled villages hours before a ceasefire deadline as diplomatic efforts continued for the implementation of the UN-brokered plan." "Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem was in Moscow for talks on Tuesday with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov. One of Lavrov's deputies said Russia was working with the Syrian authorities to promote talks with the opposition. But he reiterated Moscow's vocal opposition to foreign intervention." "It really becomes a question of how much the Russians and the Chinese can withstand being identified with this regime which is carrying out such terrible deeds against its own unarmed people, for the most part," Khouri said. "There is a point beyond which even the hard-nosed and hardball players like the Russians and the Chinese recoil."
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Post by tpfkalarry on Apr 9, 2012 22:16:29 GMT -5
So what should the president be doing about Syria:
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said it would be risky to arm the rebels, members of the Sunni Muslim population in Syria. “I think we both agree that’s probably a bad idea. Mainly because we just don’t know who they are,” Rogers said on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked about the possibility of arming the rebels.
Romney-"We need to work with Saudi Arabia and with Turkey to say, 'You guys provide the kind of weaponry that's needed to help the rebels inside Syria."
“We should be extremely skeptical about actions that could commit the United States to a military intervention,” said Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee, at a hearing on Syria.
Republican strategy regarding Syria range from air strikes (McCain) to being part of a coalition. Sounds to me very similar to the range of views being discussed in the White House. Republicans cannot even agree in hindsight on what we should have done in Libya. Does that mean there is a crisis of testicular proportions in both parties?
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Post by jdredd on Apr 10, 2012 2:21:17 GMT -5
My view on this has changed. It's hard to know what to do in this situation. I was for the Libya intervention (even though I thought Obama waited too long and dragged it out), but our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were total disasters. How do we get to a successful conclusion of the Syrian crisis without getting involved in some long and expensive campaign we can ill afford? I doubt Romney has any better ideas than Obama. Of course if Israel attacks Iran, it will be throwing gasoline on the whole Middle Eastern fire.
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Post by Tired in CV on Apr 10, 2012 2:37:15 GMT -5
Well, McCain needs to go! Although he would have been a better president than Obama, his interventionist attitude needs to go. Particularly in that part of the world. We were WRONG to get involved with Libya too! Syria is aligned with Iran and that is some reason to protect the people and cause the downfall of the government. BUT, the Homs are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood of whom we have either allowed or assisted in their ability to lead Egypt and Libya. The Muslim Brotherhood does not care one bit for the U.S. and their support/implimentation of sharia law amounts to segregation and slavery. Obama, while rattling his sword over Iran has NO INTENTION of taking physical action against Iran OR Syria. Russia is standing ready to support Iran if ANY foriegn troops enter Iran and they have advisors in place in Syria too. If Israel decides to attack Iran, they better be prepared to do battle alone because I believe Obama will deliberately withhold any major support hoping that Israel falls. He may lead them to believe they will be supported but it will be a false impression. I truly believe that! It is time to let the Muslims fight Muslims and sort out their problems. They have been at it for thousands of years and we "infidels" are not going to solve their problems.
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Post by EscapeHatch on Apr 10, 2012 17:29:18 GMT -5
I think that the rarity of election year snipes between the parties over Syria indicates what JD said- it's hard to chose the right option. Or even to call the other side on the wrong one.
Tired may have the best solution- let them hack it out themselves.
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Post by tpfkalarry on Apr 10, 2012 20:59:26 GMT -5
I used to think that every event that occurred in the Middle East was a window of opportunity to either build a bridge or burn a bridge. The idea of at least arming the rebels sounds like less of a risk but if we are going to give weapons to people who may eventually try to use them on us makes me think we could just shoot ourselves in the foot and cut out the middle man altogether. If there was a way to make the Saudis be part of the conflict than I would be in complete agreement with Tired. There is more than just a gnawing feeling that fighting wars in any other country but that one is like trying to take on an octopus by just hacking at the arms.
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Post by Turk on Apr 11, 2012 12:54:46 GMT -5
My view on this has changed. It's hard to know what to do in this situation. I was for the Libya intervention (even though I thought Obama waited too long and dragged it out), but our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were total disasters. How do we get to a successful conclusion of the Syrian crisis without getting involved in some long and expensive campaign we can ill afford? I doubt Romney has any better ideas than Obama. Of course if Israel attacks Iran, it will be throwing gasoline on the whole Middle Eastern fire. We have more cause for involvement in Syria than we did in Libya. And I agree with Tired McCain must go, if we had won in 2008 we would be at war with the world. As far as what President Romney would do, I’d hope nothing at all other than stop pouring billions into Egypt supporting Obama's buddies the muslim brotherhood. Let Syria, Libya, Yemen and Egypt duke it out.
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Post by jdredd on Jun 16, 2012 15:09:47 GMT -5
I think my inner Republican is coming out...(or I've been around youse guys too long) I think we should start selling the Syrian rebels enough arms to fight Assad for years, but not help them win. I bet Israel would help with that.
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Post by jdredd on Jul 13, 2012 16:38:04 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18829052"The mandate for the UN's observer mission to Syria expires on 20 July and council members are locked in debate about a new resolution, which must be passed before the deadline if the mission is to be renewed. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said there was "indisputable evidence that the regime deliberately murdered innocent civilians". "Those who committed these atrocities will be identified and held accountable," she said." I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by jdredd on Jul 13, 2012 16:40:37 GMT -5
My view on this has changed. It's hard to know what to do in this situation. I was for the Libya intervention (even though I thought Obama waited too long and dragged it out), but our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were total disasters. How do we get to a successful conclusion of the Syrian crisis without getting involved in some long and expensive campaign we can ill afford? I doubt Romney has any better ideas than Obama. Of course if Israel attacks Iran, it will be throwing gasoline on the whole Middle Eastern fire. We have more cause for involvement in Syria than we did in Libya. And I agree with Tired McCain must go, if we had won in 2008 we would be at war with the world. As far as what President Romney would do, I’d hope nothing at all other than stop pouring billions into Egypt supporting Obama's buddies the muslim brotherhood. Let Syria, Libya, Yemen and Egypt duke it out. I hope you guys won't be TOO shocked when Romney's foreign policies are hard to tell from Obama's...Or maybe Romney is a secret Muslim too? Maybe Mormons are a secret Muslim sect!! (Polygamy, anyone?)
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Post by Turk on Jul 13, 2012 19:03:20 GMT -5
We have more cause for involvement in Syria than we did in Libya. And I agree with Tired McCain must go, if we had won in 2008 we would be at war with the world. As far as what President Romney would do, I’d hope nothing at all other than stop pouring billions into Egypt supporting Obama's buddies the muslim brotherhood. Let Syria, Libya, Yemen and Egypt duke it out. I hope you guys won't be TOO shocked when Romney's foreign policies are hard to tell from Obama's...Or maybe Romney is a secret Muslim too? Maybe Mormons are a secret Muslim sect!! (Polygamy, anyone?) Perhaps but I don't see Romney sitting around with thumb planted in his ass like Hussein. The thing I fear is Romney would get involved with Syria. I prefer polyamory
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Post by Turk on Jul 18, 2012 19:59:19 GMT -5
Las Vegas is betting on how long it will take before the government fails. I'm thinking less than 2 weeks.
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